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  1. #916
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    Quote Originally Posted by seattlechiquita View Post
    What? Release?
    Elizabeth wants her bail lowered which is at 1.1 mil right now. Her defense team has also argued that she ought to be released pending trial as some sort of sanction for having her 6th amendment rights violated by the San Antonio detective who talked to her in jail. Listening to the testimony in the TPS trial (EJ says she's about to get on a plane, you'll never find me) I think that if she is released on bond, she's right, we'll never find her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saba View Post
    Elizabeth wants her bail lowered which is at 1.1 mil right now. Her defense team has also argued that she ought to be released pending trial as some sort of sanction for having her 6th amendment rights violated by the San Antonio detective who talked to her in jail. Listening to the testimony in the TPS trial (EJ says she's about to get on a plane, you'll never find me) I think that if she is released on bond, she's right, we'll never find her.
    I hear you. Thanks for being so patient in explaining the background to me

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    Hi all,

    I'm new to this case and just started following Tammi's trial.

    Is the popular consensus that G was illegally given to a family in TX and they have never come forward OR that he is deceased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrownRice View Post
    Hi all,

    I'm new to this case and just started following Tammi's trial.

    Is the popular consensus that G was illegally given to a family in TX and they have never come forward OR that he is deceased?
    I don't think I represent the general consensus...I believe he is alive and I believe Tammi Smith knows exactly where he is. There is factual information that most likely will not be presented at trial regarding phone calls placed at the very same time as Gabriel was supposedly being handed over in the park. These calls were between Jack and his adult son and brother [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7735435&postcount=247"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Smith -The Charges[/ame]

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    http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov...2/m5219286.pdf


    4/27/2012

    This order grants the defense request that Elizabeth's restraints be removed during contact legal visits. This may seem like a small victory but I'll bet it's huge for Elizabeth.
    Last edited by saba; 05-01-2012 at 09:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momtective View Post
    I don't think I represent the general consensus...I believe he is alive and I believe Tammi Smith knows exactly where he is. There is factual information that most likely will not be presented at trial regarding phone calls placed at the very same time as Gabriel was supposedly being handed over in the park. These calls were between Jack and his adult son and brother Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Tammi Smith -The Charges

    In my gut, I've always felt that Gabriel is alive and that Tammi knew more about him than she is letting on. Thank you for posting this information, I hope it makes it to court somehow so that everyone can see what actually happened.

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    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...caseSearch.asp (CR2010-101760 or Elizabeth Johnson)

    5/8/2012 MOT - Motion - Party (001)
    NOTE: FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE

    5/8/2012 MOT - Motion - Party (001)
    NOTE: PURSUANT TO RULE 20 RE: CHILD ABUSE

    5/8/2012 MFR - Motion For Reconsideration - Party (001)
    NOTE: Sheeriff Arpaios / of April 26, 2012 Court Order on Jail Visitation Issues

    5/8/2012 NOT - Notice - Party (001)
    NOTE: OF ERRATA AND MOTION TO CORRECT TITLE

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    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...caseSearch.asp (CR2010-101760)

    5/9/2012 Response - Party (001)

    NOTE: DEFENDANTS / TO SHERIFF ARPAIOS MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF COURT ORDER AND MOTION TO STAY COURT ORDER

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    http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.go...caseSearch.asp (CR2010-101760)


    5/17/2012 Reply - Party (001)
    NOTE: DEFENDANTS REPLY TO THE STATES RESPONSE TO DEFENDANTS MOTION TO MODIFY RELEASE CONDITIONS

    5/17/2012 Motion - Party (001)
    NOTE: TO REVEAL AND PRECLUDE EVIDENCE PURSUANT TO RULE 404

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    https://twitter.com/#!/courtpio

    MC Superior Court ‏@courtpio
    Elizabeth Johnson is expected to start soon.


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    Elizabeth Johnson hearing is underway. Johnson has waived her appearance.

    https://twitter.com/#!/courtpio

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    Quote Originally Posted by saba View Post
    Elizabeth Johnson hearing is underway. Johnson has waived her appearance.

    https://twitter.com/#!/courtpio
    Why doesn't that surprise me?

    Thanks saba for keeping on top of this

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    What is the hearing for? No streaming available, right?

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    In Session ‏@InSession
    Elizabeth Johnson, #BabyGabriel's mother, is in court today. Attorneys are talking about evidence, jail visitations, and other issues.

    http://twitter.com/#!/InSession


    eta- hi chiquita- that's right, no stream

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    MC Superior Court ‏@courtpio
    Judge Joseph Kreamer is hearing arguments on Elizabeth Johnson's release conditions.

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