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    These are merely hearings to respond to 49 motions filed by Heinze's attorneys, including one to dismiss the case. The trial is still months, if not years, away. The grand jury indicted him in September, 2009. It's been almost three years and no trial date has been set.

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    Guy Heinze Jr. re-indicted in August 2009 deaths of his father and seven others in mobile home park
    Original indictment was flawed because grand jury included a felon, District Attorney's Office says.


    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia...#ixzz1wHU3cRhL

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    Question why?

    a strange case, indeed.
    during the years, the news become only a kind of court procedures update.
    there is any Guy Heinze Jr interview?
    what the neighbours heard?
    i cant remember, but did he declares himself guilty or not guilty?
    there were any drug test on him?
    and more important, a question, that i never see at least speculated, why?
    a gruesome crime, that LE and Court seems to indulge procrastination and the media doesnt inquire to the bone.
    why, also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acausa View Post
    a strange case, indeed.
    during the years, the news become only a kind of court procedures update.
    there is any Guy Heinze Jr interview?
    what the neighbours heard?
    i cant remember, but did he declares himself guilty or not guilty?
    there were any drug test on him?
    and more important, a question, that i never see at least speculated, why?
    a gruesome crime, that LE and Court seems to indulge procrastination and the media doesnt inquire to the bone.
    why, also?

    best for all

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    No interveiws with him. The neighbors heard nothing the night of the murders and they heard Guy screaming the morning of the discovery according to reporting done on the case. His plea was entered as not guilty but he may have to enter his plea due to the re indictment ,I however and not sure but I dont expect him to change his mind as the other plea was entered in Feb 12,2012,

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    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topsto...ty-to-Killings

    No information about a drug test was released so I have no idea if one was done .

    I have seen speculation on a motive but it has been all guesses. I dont understand why the media hasnt been all over this case either and the only think I can think is maybe there isnt much of a case to be all over. No information being released etc.

    I hope the case gets more attention one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acausa View Post
    a strange case, indeed.
    during the years, the news become only a kind of court procedures update.
    there is any Guy Heinze Jr interview?
    what the neighbours heard?
    i cant remember, but did he declares himself guilty or not guilty?
    there were any drug test on him?
    and more important, a question, that i never see at least speculated, why?
    a gruesome crime, that LE and Court seems to indulge procrastination and the media doesnt inquire to the bone.
    why, also?

    best for all

    Rui
    Hi there acausa!

    GHJ was interviewed by the police but he never did an interview with the media.

    When he was first arrested for having an illegal drug, lying to police and tampering with evidence, I am sure they did a drug test at that time.

    It has been so long now but I do remember reading that a neighbor did hear screaming like a heated argument around midnight. I also remember when they arrested him for the murders LE said it was based on forensic evidence they had received back from the lab and a witness. This may have been a witness who saw him leaving the mobile home park when he told LE he was elsewhere.

    The 'why' will have to be answered at trial.

    The media is there everytime there is a hearing but there really is nothing new to disclose at this time.

    In our country it is not unusual for it to take 3-4 years for a death penalty case to come to trial.

    This is one I have kept up with from the very beginning since I live in Georgia and hope the trial is held soon.

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    I had no idea that this hearing had been scheduled or why there is no news story on the first day's precedings. Expect there will be more news shortly.

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/Police-...z/-/index.html

    Sorry, here is news about first day's coverage in the form of a video. This is actually just the link in the sidebar from the above article.

    http://www.news4jax.com/Death-penalt...z/-/index.html
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    and still more DNA testing needs to be done, the prosecution has had years to test everything they have I can't understand why they haven't, as has the defence, the case should be ready for trial now,

    I hope we get to see more solid evidence from this pretrial, as so far all I have heard is he had blood on his shorts, which defence can argue got there when he found bodies and he lied about where he got shotgun from, the shotgun if it was murder weapon must have blood/dna/hair or other bodily evidence on it if it was murder weapon but we have yet to hear this evidence,

    I am still yet to be convinced that one person could kill 4 adult males, one teenage male who wrestled at school, 2 other adult females and one other teenage girl by himself within the confines of that trailer and not one of them was able to either escape or at least fight back and leave marks on the attacker,

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    The shotgun belonging to one of the victims is new. I am interested to know who it belonged to.

    I am going to go back and look for media reports on what was reported Guy said about the gun at the time.

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    Guy said it was his gun, and he was removing/hiding it because it was stolen or not licensed and he did not want to get into trouble, LE asked ATF to check serial number and it came back as being registered to one of the dead victims, this new information was testified to at pretrial

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    http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia...rder-dismissed

    more interesting evidence revealed during pretrial, officers saw blood on the shotgun that was in Guys car, and he admitted smoking crack the night of the murders

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    I was just coming to post the story from yesterday's FL Times-Union but I see that joe jones has already posted it.

    I agree that there was come very interesting evidence revealed during pretrial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    The shotgun belonging to one of the victims is new. I am interested to know who it belonged to.

    I am going to go back and look for media reports on what was reported Guy said about the gun at the time.
    I read long ago that the shotgun belonged to one of the adult men that was murdered.

    They are going to get Heinz on his lies.

    He took that shotgun out of the house of horrors he made because he had used it as one of the blugdeoning weapons, imo. A part of the shattered stock was found in the driveway. It probably fell off when he was taking it out of the house to hide it in his car.

    I also think the blood on his clothing is not going to belong to Michael but may be a mixture of some of the other victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe jones View Post
    and still more DNA testing needs to be done, the prosecution has had years to test everything they have I can't understand why they haven't, as has the defence, the case should be ready for trial now,

    I hope we get to see more solid evidence from this pretrial, as so far all I have heard is he had blood on his shorts, which defence can argue got there when he found bodies and he lied about where he got shotgun from, the shotgun if it was murder weapon must have blood/dna/hair or other bodily evidence on it if it was murder weapon but we have yet to hear this evidence,

    I am still yet to be convinced that one person could kill 4 adult males, one teenage male who wrestled at school, 2 other adult females and one other teenage girl by himself within the confines of that trailer and not one of them was able to either escape or at least fight back and leave marks on the attacker,
    His problem among many is he said he only touched Michael. So if the blood is not Michael's that will be another nail in his coffin.

    I am very convinced he murdered all of these people right by himself. I had read early that the family was told that the victims were attacked as they slept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe jones View Post
    http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia...rder-dismissed

    more interesting evidence revealed during pretrial, officers saw blood on the shotgun that was in Guys car, and he admitted smoking crack the night of the murders
    I wish insession was following this case.

    Anyway I found a bit of an issue with the statement the officer made

    Lt. Keith Stalvey, who was a sergeant at the time, testified that he drew his weapon only to clear and secure the residence where Heinze had made a frantic 911 call that his family had been killed

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...#ixzz22vefM9xc
    And then this
    At that point, he was the lone survivor,’’ Stalvey said.

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...#ixzz22velK4tF
    This statement here bothers me for the reason on the 911 Guy Jr was asked for detailed information on the rising and falling of MT's chest. The officer would have known as that is important information on the scene ,and EMT would not be allowed to enter until the scene was declared safe for them to enter.That officer would be the one to call them from a ready and waiting on the scene to clear to assit.

    GuyJr was not the lone survivor and this statement is way off and it doesnt really make sence for it to be stated that way. As it is not truthful. The officer trys to quailfy it with "At the time" but that is not true even if he thought it was it just isnt.

    Now this next quote reflects what I had thought was reported. That Guy believed the shotgun to be stolen. I think that past articles will reflect that he said he believed it was or thought it was ,not that it was for a fact.Not sure but this is why I posted about going looking for the statement reported about the gun.

    And when he was questioned whether there were guns inside the residence, Heinze responded there were, but he had taken out a shotgun that he believed to have been stolen and put it in the trunk of the Mercury Cougar he was driving, Stalvey testified.

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...#ixzz22vihuvGG
    I am still blown away by the lack of coverage on this case.

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    Looks like we may have a trial this year:

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...-guy-heinze-jr

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigsky View Post
    Looks like we may have a trial this year:

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...-guy-heinze-jr
    30 to 45 days.

    Anyone know if all the forensics are back from the state lab? Or if anything thing is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigsky View Post
    Looks like we may have a trial this year:

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...-guy-heinze-jr
    This part made me tear up.

    BRUNSWICK - Blood-splattered children’s drawings may be among the evidence jurors see when Guy Heinze Jr. is tried for murder in the Aug. 29, 2009, beating deaths of his father and six others.

    Whether prosecutors can use the pictures at trial, however, is still one of the issues presiding Superior Court Judge Stephen Scarlett must decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    30 to 45 days.

    Anyone know if all the forensics are back from the state lab? Or if anything thing is?

    state says it still has stuff to test, doesn't sound to me like the slam dunk the state said it was when he was arrested,

    so far all the evidence I have heard is he had blood on his shorts and moved a shotgun that had blood on it, he admits he was in trailer and saw bodies so defence can argue he got blood on him then, depends whose blood also, if it was Michaels (the teenage boy who had survived the initial attack but died later) then he should have his blood on him as according to him he found Michael at the door of the trailer and must have touched him when he realised he was alive,

    the shotgun he said he moved as I have read he said he believed it was stolen so he moved it, he needs to explain why he even touched it, and why he removed it when LE has testified that he saw blood on it when he looked in Guys car, why would you touch a shotgun with blood on it when you had come home and found dead bloody bodies everywhere, who were your family, but then people do react/act in mystifying ways be they guilty or innocent when confronted with things like this,

    not evidence but he admits he smoked crack night of murders, that is all that's been released so far,

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    This part made me tear up.

    BRUNSWICK - Blood-splattered children’s drawings may be among the evidence jurors see when Guy Heinze Jr. is tried for murder in the Aug. 29, 2009, beating deaths of his father and six others.

    Whether prosecutors can use the pictures at trial, however, is still one of the issues presiding Superior Court Judge Stephen Scarlett must decide.
    Would it be too much to decide this case just based on the facts? What purpose does bringing in these drawings serve other than to play on the emotions of the jury. I hope the state has more pertinent evidence than this.

    I am somewhat dismayed at the lack of media coverage of these hearings. I suspect Guy is destined to be quietly tucked away on death row. The case is too old and there is too much fresher news for this trial to gain any national traction. I've been trying to keep an open mind but I am steadily coming to the opinion that he is probably the lone perpetrator.

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    the drawings will be used to sway the jury emotionally, defence and state do all they can to have an emotional impact on a jury, they have yet to do any testing on the drawings to see whose blood is on them, so until or unless they do so I can't see the judge letting them in,

    I am no longer shocked or surprised at the capriciousness of national media as to which victims or crimes get the most media traction,

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe jones View Post
    the drawings will be used to sway the jury emotionally, defence and state do all they can to have an emotional impact on a jury, they have yet to do any testing on the drawings to see whose blood is on them, so until or unless they do so I can't see the judge letting them in,

    I am no longer shocked or surprised at the capriciousness of national media as to which victims or crimes get the most media traction,
    I was wondering what children did the drawings? Was it the 2 year old?

    Or the 15/yo?

    Were they pictures made years before? Or a 2 year olds artwork. Not that it matters it is pretty sad all arround but I did question it. The ages for childrens drawings among the victims is so wide that it made me question why they would be called childrens drawings verses artwork ,which IMO would fit much better as 2 year olds scribble and teens are not what you would picture making childrens drawings. Micheal however may have made child like drawings. Doesnt make it a childs drawing. So ,yeah I guess it is about the emotional impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe jones View Post
    state says it still has stuff to test, doesn't sound to me like the slam dunk the state said it was when he was arrested,

    so far all the evidence I have heard is he had blood on his shorts and moved a shotgun that had blood on it, he admits he was in trailer and saw bodies so defence can argue he got blood on him then, depends whose blood also, if it was Michaels (the teenage boy who had survived the initial attack but died later) then he should have his blood on him as according to him he found Michael at the door of the trailer and must have touched him when he realised he was alive,

    the shotgun he said he moved as I have read he said he believed it was stolen so he moved it, he needs to explain why he even touched it, and why he removed it when LE has testified that he saw blood on it when he looked in Guys car, why would you touch a shotgun with blood on it when you had come home and found dead bloody bodies everywhere, who were your family, but then people do react/act in mystifying ways be they guilty or innocent when confronted with things like this,

    not evidence but he admits he smoked crack night of murders, that is all that's been released so far,
    I also read earlier that blood was found on his underwear and the walking shorts he was wearing.

    I dont think it is going to be easy to explain away. The first thing LE does is to get the person who 'found' the victim is to show them in detail everywhere they went and what they touched. So he is locked in to whatever he told them.

    Also the type of blood found on his clothing can be highly significant. If it was blood spatter then that shows the blood was airborn at the time and landed on his clothing.

    Still testing items doesnt show me this is a weak case whatsoever. The DA will continue to test items because if not... the defense will try to make something of it and why they didnt test that particular item. In the Cesar Lauren case the DA didnt even get the results back on the weapon he used to strike Maria Lauterbach in the head until 17 days before trial.

    I imagine all evidence (discovery) will have to be done and presented to the defense 30 days before the trial commences. That is usually the cutoff time.

    I have a feeling they will have quite a few lay witnesses too. Imo, something was going on in that family in regards to Jr and I think people knew it and will testify about it.

    I also have a feeling that he may have been seen coming and going from the MHP when he told LE he was elsewhere. I remember when he was arrested the PC commented they had received results back from the lab on one of the items and they also had a witness come forward and that was enough to get probable cause to arrest and charge him with the murders and attempted murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigsky View Post
    Would it be too much to decide this case just based on the facts? What purpose does bringing in these drawings serve other than to play on the emotions of the jury. I hope the state has more pertinent evidence than this.

    I am somewhat dismayed at the lack of media coverage of these hearings. I suspect Guy is destined to be quietly tucked away on death row. The case is too old and there is too much fresher news for this trial to gain any national traction. I've been trying to keep an open mind but I am steadily coming to the opinion that he is probably the lone perpetrator.
    I dont really know why they are wanting this evidence in. It is hard to question them when we do not know the relevance. The blood spatter may have some significance as to whom it belonged to and where the drawings were located at the time. Perhaps it is to show if the person was standing, kneeling.. or laying on the floor when struck.

    Often items are shown in court when the lead detective is testifying or by the forensic experts who are explaining how the victims were murdered and what the blood patterns told them. For all we know now it could have a smeared or bloody fingerprint of the defendant on them. I guess we will have to wait and see.

    We have seen some very bloody gruesome and totally heartbreaking items displayed in other court cases before so this is not new. If the drawings show a particular pattern of blood perhaps the velosity of the swings then I think it should come in but of course that will be up to the Judge.

    The DA sure didnt make the blood spatter wind up on the child's drawings. It is what it is. This is going to be an extremely hard case for any juror to get through. None of it is going to be pretty or whitewashed and it shouldnt be, imo.

    Imo, it is no more devastating than when the DA brought in the stuff animal and black plastic garage bag that Couey used when he buried Jessica Lunsford alive after he had raped her for three days. Or bringing in the actual reciprocating saw Melanie McQuire used to cut her husband's body up.

    Murder cases are often times very gruesome and so is the evidence and this one certainly is one of the worst since all the victims were bludgeoned to death and there are so many multiple victims in this case.

    As for as the media....there really hasnt been that much to report. When there is any activity the media does report on it everytime.

    I dont think this case will get national coverage or be televised on InSessions. Although they may mention it during their daily newscasts. I sure wish that it would be on IS but I expect they may be airing other cases. Although we have had a lot of Georgia cases shown on CTV/IS in the past but those were ones in the northern to middle part of the state.

    However once the trial starts I certainly think Georgia and Florida reporters will be there in the courtroom everyday and will cover it until the verdict and if convicted...on to the sentencing phase.

    IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by houndstooth View Post
    I live in the neighboring county. I pass by this MHP several times a week.
    Including the night before the murders.

    I live a rather synchronicitous life.
    Here is what happened the night before that I saw.

    I was travelling north on 17 around 9:20pm.
    I noticed a car pulled over by a cop on the side of the road.

    A short way onward, I passed another one. With someone pulled over.
    This is VERY unusual. So that when I was some distance from the drive to New Hope, I
    could see from a long way off a car sitting there with their lights on under the streetlight. Normally, I wouldn't have paid any attention, but I was wondering if when I got closer it was going to be another cruiser and wondered what was up.

    Because there was no traffic and the car could have pulled out at any time but chose to just sit there I was slowing down reflexively thinking "I don't want to get pulled over!".
    But, when I was just about 75 yrds out, I could see it was like a gold Gran Torino, or some 80's 90's bomb. So I was just phew! When simultaneously a white equally beater station wagon pulled in behind it from the Park. As soon as I passed by on 17 the gold car pulled out squeeling tires in the opposite direction.
    I watched it wondering what the heck! until the road curved and I didn't see if the white station wagon follow it.

    The next morning of course I read about the murders at the Park. I immediately remembered the cars out by the road the night before and felt they may have been involved. I thought of it for a couple days wondering should I tell police or would that just be adding some wild goose chase info. I lived next door to some cops practically, so I decided when I saw them home I would just tell them the story.

    I did. And though they aren't in that jurisdiction I thought they may have SOME info.
    So I asked did Heinze happen to drive a gold car? He said yes, he thought he did.
    But, he completely just dismissed my account and said it didn't bear any follow up.
    And for me not to worry. I said thanks. I was relieved.

    I think about it though all the time, nonetheless. I didn't really SEE anything.
    It was the night before except, there may have been someone else who might.
    You know?
    I see this link mentions the kind of car GuyJr was driving.

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...ment-dismissed

    And when he was questioned whether there were guns inside the residence, Heinze responded there were, but he had taken out a shotgun that he believed to have been stolen and put it in the trunk of the Mercury Cougar he was driving, Stalvey testified.

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...#ixzz23DQseHhi
    I thought it was also stated somewhere once,it was a hatchback but I maybe mistaken. Because this link refers to the trunk lid .

    Heinze agreed, but Stalvey testified when he raised the trunk lid he didn’t touch the shotgun because it appeared to have blood on it.

    Has anyone ever heard of this case?

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30097"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30097[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmagent View Post
    I see this link mentions the kind of car GuyJr was driving.

    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...ment-dismissed



    I thought it was also stated somewhere once,it was a hatchback but I maybe mistaken. Because this link refers to the trunk lid .




    Has anyone ever heard of this case?

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30097
    I remember this case vividly. Tifton is about 45 miles from where I live and its about 135 miles away from Brunswick.

    They caught all three of them were found guilty and they were sentenced. 2 male defendants and one female defendant.

    The motive was robbery because some Mexicans are leery of banks and are known to keep a large amount of cash on them.

    Five men were killed and at least six other people were wounded in what appeared to be a string of robberies targeting Hispanic immigrants at trailer parks in and around Tifton in September 2005.

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/Tift-Co...3/-/index.html
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