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    I have just spent the past two hours reading newspaper articles about this case. There are literally hundreds of articles about this case, so it will take a while to peruse them all.

    I found a few things of interest, in no particular order (joellegirl, you may already know these since you've read a lot about this case!):

    1. At no time did the police consider this to be a burglary gone wrong.

    2. The police refer to this as a kidnapping after "a fierce struggle." They later say they believe she was kidnapped by a "sex maniac".

    3. After five days, the police chief admitted they were up against a stone wall and desperate for clues!

    4. There was a mass check of all cars in the city made by gas attendants and police on a voluntary basis. The interior and trunks were inspected for blood. The owner of the car would be given a sticker to place on the car that said "my car is OK".

    5. 1700 male students and teachers from two public high schools, one Catholic high school, city vocational and adult education schools, and La Crosse State College were given lie detector tests.

    6. The basement window only measured 14 inches.

    7. The kidnapper's tennis shoes were eventually found tossed beside a highway. They were size 12 1/2, and identified as having been worn inside the house where Evelyn was babysitting. A bloodstained denim jacket was also found, along with bloodstained panties and bra, all Type A blood - same as Evelyn's.

    8. Evelyn Hartley was not supposed to be babysitting that night - she was filling in for a friend who wanted to go to a football game.

    There are a lot more interesting elements to this case, but I don't have time to list them all.

    One thing that really seems odd - the tennis shoes are 12 1/2, implying they belonged to a pretty big fellow. How did he get in through a 14 inch window?

    FYI, there is no mention in any of the articles about an eyewitness. I'm not disputing that this man exists, I just wonder why police didn't say "Joe Blow, driving past the house to pick up his brother-in-law, reported seeing two men supporting a woman, and later saw the same men in a car, one driving and one in the back seat with the woman." Curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    I have never heard the term Whizzer Rider. Is that some sort of bike?
    I was curious about that too. Here is a pic I found:
    http://www.whizzerbikes.com/whizzer2.html or
    http://www.whizzerbikes.com/494735.html

    I remember helping my Dad restore a neighbor's 1930 Model "A" Ford, it had circular pedal pads (unlike the rectangular found on newer cars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilynilpa
    One thing that really seems odd - the tennis shoes are 12 1/2, implying they belonged to a pretty big fellow. How did he get in through a 14 inch window?
    One of the articles from NewspaperArchive. com mentioned that some LE did not think the jacket and shoes belonged to the same person, since the jacket was a size 36 and seemed too small for someone wearing size 12 shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowangel
    One of the articles from NewspaperArchive. com mentioned that some LE did not think the jacket and shoes belonged to the same person, since the jacket was a size 36 and seemed too small for someone wearing size 12 shoes.
    That's right, which adds some credence to the thought that two men may have been involved in this crime. I just cannot see a man large enough to wear size 12 shoes being able to get into a 14" window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilynilpa
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    7. The kidnapper's tennis shoes were eventually found tossed beside a highway. They were size 12 1/2, and identified as having been worn inside the house where Evelyn was babysitting. A bloodstained denim jacket was also found, along with bloodstained panties and bra, all Type A blood - same as Evelyn's.

    8. Evelyn Hartley was not supposed to be babysitting that night - she was filling in for a friend who wanted to go to a football game.
    I wonder if the shoes and Jacket are still being held in an evidence locker somewhere. Perhaps DNA could be extracted from them today? Any fingerprints found on the shoes or in the house?

    Was the blood ever checked for DNA matches to Evelyn's family?

    The size of the shoes would indicate a rather large fellow, probably over 6 feet tall. Was the jacket size stated?

    The locations of the shoes and other clothing would give a general direction of travel, and would possibly indicate that a furthur attack upon Evelyn took place between the house and the location of the clothing.

    Was the other babysitter or her family interviewed regarding anyone fitting the possible description of Evelyn's abductor(s)?

    From what I have read, it sounds to me like this crime was origionally planned as an abduction by one or two rather moronic individuals. If they were burglers, they certainly could have found a house easier to enter. If they had been watching the house for the occupants to leave, they certainly would have seen the babysitter arriving first. Likely, they thought they would break in easily and then go out the same way. What they didn't count on was Evelyn putting up such a fight.

    They obviously did not cut the phone line in advance. They could have tied and gagged her, had they thought to bring rope or cloth with them. They obviously could have walked right out the front or rear door. But they were idiots, and you have to take the idiot factor into account.

    There were no credible demands for ransom. And Evelyn has not turned up in the past 50 plus years. My feeling is that these guys killed her, disposed of her body, and drove away.

    Were there any recently released sex criminals in the area? Were there any previous or subsequent reports of rapes or abductions, or home invasions in any other nearby towns?

    What was the other school that was playing LaCrosse that night? Maybe these guys were in town for the game, but decided to go cruising instead, and one thing led to another. Was there much checking done in the other town? Was that town located in the direction indicated by the discarded bloodstained clothing and shoes?

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    The Jacket

    Now the jacket that was found that had blood stains has a whole story on it's own. Investigators at the time noticed wear marks on the back, and paint flecks scattered about. To make a long story short theycame up with the theory that one of Evelyn's abductors had been a steeplejack. That maybe he wore some kind of harness while swinging from a boatswain's chair to clean such things as water towers to prepare for painiting. This jacket went on tour to various surrounding towns to see if someone could identify. Today they realize that was not a good thing as lots of evidence may have been destroyed while this jacket toured the region. I believe it is in the Wisconsin crime lab in Madison today, or still at the LaCrosse police, not sure. Among the other evidence they still have, according to the book, I believe is hair rollers belonging to Evelyn, menstrual pads(it appears she was on her period, must have got these out of the garbage from her home-such a private thing to have among these items) and an exact replica of the outfit she wore that night-all for identifying purposes. Reason why they have the same clothes is she and her best friend had bought the exact same outfit for fun, and this friend gave her outfit to police in case it would help someday.

    She still has a surviving brother and sister, but they have not responded to request from police to submit DNA samples. I believe they were requested after the new clues with the tape recorder came about, and a house(and surrounding property) that is mentioned in the recording may be fully
    searched someday if Evelyn's case can get off the backburner.

    As I mentioned earlier, investgators fear that even if they find where Evelyn is supposed to be buried, they are not sure, due to passage of time, animals, and floods have done to her remains. Hopefully something could be found.

    About the Whizzer, the book has a picture of one and it looks like some kind of motorized bicycle-not quite a motorcycle but more snazzy than a bicycle. It cost $97.55 in 1948.

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    LaCrosse State College(now University of Wisconsin at LaCrosse) was playing against rival River Falls State College that night. I'm assuming maybe from Black River Falls, Wi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joellegirl
    She still has a surviving brother and sister, but they have not responded to request from police to submit DNA samples. I believe they were requested after the new clues with the tape recorder came about, and a house(and surrounding property) that is mentioned in the recording may be fully
    searched someday if Evelyn's case can get off the backburner.
    Sorry, I missed something....?

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    Black River Falls is in the opposite direction of where the articles of clothing were found. I could be wrong about where River Falls college is/was. I'll have to look further. The evidence found along Hwy 14 is south of LaCrosse, in the direction of LaFarge, Wi where this tape recording mentions where Evelyn was taken. The man on this recording (the book has most of the transcript of this conversation, police had exact locations eliminated). From the transcript this man doesn't sound like the brightest of the bunch. I agree with with Richard that it appears one or two idiots ironically somehow pulled off one of our greatest mysteries, and still seem to have everyone guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joellegirl
    . . . . The reason this man saw them twice was he was in the neighborhood picking up his brother -in-law to go to the homecoming game. He first saw the men and woman while on his way to pick up his brother-in-law. After he had picked him up and was heading out of the subdivision to the game is when he saw who he thought to be the same group in the car. I get the impression he did not live in this neighborhood, just his brother-in law. One interesting thing is when he dropped his brother-in law back home at what he thought was approx 9:45 he didin't notice any police around, yet they were already there.

    It is all very confusing I agree.
    Just kicking around possibilities here:
    The witness might well be telling the truth but just to be thorough I have to ask: What if he is not truthful? Could the story have just a couple of touches of truth in it? 1. That he and brother-in-law were there (incase they were seen by someone) and 2.that no police were around (because maybe none were around at the time they committed a crime.)

    What is known about mr x who saw these things and his brother-in-law? And has the brother-in-law ever confirmed what was seen & maybe added his own description?

    Something seems not right about that witness account. Possibly they either had involvement in the crime or (it doesn't have to be anything sinister) perhaps he was just wishing very strongly that he might have helped bring the girl home as did many residents. Only maybe he wished hard enough to "remember" seeing something odd and then go tell police. That sort of thing has happened before.


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    So this was a tape-recorded interview/interrogation by the police? (Sorry, I'm a little slow today...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowangel
    Sorry, I missed something....?
    Sorry, shadowangel. I mentioned the tape recording in a much earlier post. Here is the link to the article in the LaCrosse Tribune:

    http://www.lacrossetribune.com/artic...s/02second.txt



    A transcript of the conversation is in the book "Where's Evelyn?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilynilpa
    That's right, which adds some credence to the thought that two men may have been involved in this crime. I just cannot see a man large enough to wear size 12 shoes being able to get into a 14" window.
    My son wore size 13's but was skinny as a toothpick as a teenager.
    I am not familiar enough with coat sizes of the day to say he could have worn such an item but the window would have been doable for him I think. After all one account says the dad went in through the same window which puzzles me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joellegirl
    Sorry, shadowangel. I mentioned the tape recording in a much earlier post. Here is the link to the article in the LaCrosse Tribune:

    http://www.lacrossetribune.com/artic...s/02second.txt



    A transcript of the conversation is in the book "Where's Evelyn?"
    Thanks, I understand now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joellegirl
    . . . About the Whizzer, the book has a picture of one and it looks like some kind of motorized bicycle-not quite a motorcycle but more snazzy than a bicycle. It cost $97.55 in 1948.
    By the 50's the price had gone to about double the '48 price according to the catalog I saw (if I remember correctly.)

    I also posted some links to whizzer pics & info in an earlier post (for those readers who might not be aware of that.) And yes they were sold originally as a motor kit that was added to your own existing bicycle.

    Whizzer info:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=858219

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