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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post
    Here is the NamUs file for the decedent. She had quite a few fillings and is a young hispanic female, 14-19, neck to shoulder length dark brown hair and brown eyes. Her estimated time of death is days. There's also a reconstruction with the file and photos of her ears.

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    https://identifyus.org/cases/6718

    Case Report with Reconstruction and Ear Photos:
    https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/6718
    Wow - that will really help with comparing to missing persons. I will look around more later - very sad case.


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    I want you all to tell me right now that this is NOT her:
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    No I really mean it guys. I want you to tell me that Juana bears no resemblance to the head....I know it sounds strange but go with me on this one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    I want you all to tell me right now that this is NOT her:
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US
    Her nose and chin are spot-on.

    Her eyebrows look thicker, her cheeks aren't as broad, but her jaws are more broad. I have learned however, not to take forensic drawings too literally.

    I wish I could see her teeth or her ears. NamUs shows some excellent close-ups of her ears. I remember D VanNorman saying that he likes to compare ears because they so unique to each individual

    She disappeared from Alabama with a four-month lag. No reason to say that she couldn't have run off to California, but I would probably want to focus on people from Rialto, Fontana, San Bernadino, Rancho Cucamonga, and other cities in that area before broadening the search nationwide.

    I started looking through Facebook starting with people who went to the two High Schools in Rialto, but it looks like they don't list people by their high school unless they have graduated or are currently seniors. After about 10 minutes of looking, I realized that it would be a much larger, and not as effective method than I had previously thought.
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    I want you all to tell me right now that this is NOT her:
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US
    I seriously can't tell you this is not extremely possible, IMHO. Given it was a a reconstruction there is too much matching to not think it should be eliminated.


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    I appreciate all of the feedback. There are some circumstances surrounding Juana's disappearance that make this a possibility, so I took it upon myself to call it in to VanNorman a few hours ago. I am hoping he can expedite it....
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    Is this doe Hispanic for sure? I've seen her listed as white or hispanic but in the composite she definitely looks hispanic.

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    Okay, I'm going to throw this out there.

    I came across a person named Maya Madey from Texas who went missing on the 5th of February. She is not hispanic. The distance is probably 800 miles or so.

    However, she was 18 when she went missing. Her hair is brown and eyes are brown which matches the doe. Her hair is listed as curly and short but in all her pictures, her hair isn't that curly or that short.

    What really caught my attention were the circumstances. She left after her first class at school and packed her backpack and left with some man. Her photos show both her teeth and ears and if someone had the right computer program, they could be zoomed in on.

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

    http://www.projectjason.org/aan/AAN_MayaMadey.pdf
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    Okay, I'm going to throw this out there.

    I came across a person named Maya Madey from Texas who went missing on the 5th of February. She is not hispanic. The distance is probably 800 miles or so.

    However, she was 18 when she went missing. Her hair is brown and eyes are brown which matches the doe. Her hair is listed as curly and short but in all her pictures, her hair isn't that curly or that short.

    What really caught my attention were the circumstances. She left after her first class at school and packed her backpack and left with some man. Her photos show both her teeth and ears and if someone had the right computer program, they could be zoomed in on.

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

    http://www.projectjason.org/aan/AAN_MayaMadey.pdf
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    If you go to your second link - the project jason one it will come up in a PDF file. At the top in the middle you will find a zoom. If you pick the drop down and 200% it will zoom in. When I did that, to me the teeth are very different. I would think the teeth is one of the most accurate reconstruction parts of the face of our jane doe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cj1132 View Post
    Okay, I'm going to throw this out there.

    I came across a person named Maya Madey from Texas who went missing on the 5th of February. She is not hispanic. The distance is probably 800 miles or so.

    However, she was 18 when she went missing. Her hair is brown and eyes are brown which matches the doe. Her hair is listed as curly and short but in all her pictures, her hair isn't that curly or that short.

    What really caught my attention were the circumstances. She left after her first class at school and packed her backpack and left with some man. Her photos show both her teeth and ears and if someone had the right computer program, they could be zoomed in on.

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

    http://www.projectjason.org/aan/AAN_MayaMadey.pdf
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    Aside from the obvious difference in their apparent ethnicity, I don't see much there, except the tips of their noses. The shape of her left ear is quite different from the photo of Jane Doe's left ear in NamUs. Also, Maya's two upper front teeth (8 and 9) extend much lower than the two incisors beside them (7 and 10). That is not apparent in the drawing, and I would think that the artist would be pretty careful to at least get the teeth right, or else not depict them at all.
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    Thanks for checking this out for me. I thought there were too many differences but I got hung up on the backpack even though I know there are thousands of backpacks around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj1132 View Post
    Okay, I'm going to throw this out there.

    I came across a person named Maya Madey from Texas who went missing on the 5th of February. She is not hispanic. The distance is probably 800 miles or so.

    However, she was 18 when she went missing. Her hair is brown and eyes are brown which matches the doe. Her hair is listed as curly and short but in all her pictures, her hair isn't that curly or that short.

    What really caught my attention were the circumstances. She left after her first class at school and packed her backpack and left with some man. Her photos show both her teeth and ears and if someone had the right computer program, they could be zoomed in on.

    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US

    http://www.projectjason.org/aan/AAN_MayaMadey.pdf
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    Thanks CJ...I just want to point out that if Maya is 5'6" and 100lbs, she is severely, severely underweight. Her BMI is 16. Normal is 18.5-24.9. This girl's features would stand out if only because of that.
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    April Pitzer?

    http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=45069

    Her clothing was found scattered in the (Ludlow, CA.) desert. i.e. empty backpack.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,4789082.story
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    April Pitzer?

    http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=45069

    Her clothing was found scattered in the (Ludlow, CA.) desert. i.e. empty backpack.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,4789082.story

    I think there is alot about April's story that would make sense-the only question I would have is where she has been for the last 6 years and the age...because the head was just a few days dead when found IIRC....
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    I don't see in the articles where it says the skull was days old.....

    Amy was travelling east to see her mother in Arkansas
    ....Trucker route
    ....Knapsack?
    ....Clothing found nearby area the skull / a couple of years ago
    ....Note at truckstop bathroom points to this Bartow area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    I don't see in the articles where it says the skull was days old.....

    Amy was travelling east to see her mother in Arkansas
    ....Trucker route
    ....Knapsack?
    ....Clothing found nearby area the skull / a couple of years ago
    ....Note at truckstop bathroom points to this Bartow area

    JMO...
    The estimated post mortem interval is listed as days in her NamUs file.
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    The ears are intact and photographed as well, B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    April Pitzer?

    http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=45069

    Her clothing was found scattered in the (Ludlow, CA.) desert. i.e. empty backpack.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,4789082.story
    I got carried away...I apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    I got carried away...I apologize.
    Nothing to apologize for-your thought process was good!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    I got carried away...I apologize.
    No need to apologize -- it's better to suggest somebody and decide it's not a good match than to miss a possibility.

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    Is Ludlow or Barstow anywhere near where the LE found Chelsea King and looking for Amber Dubois any connection there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    Is Ludlow or Barstow anywhere near where the LE found Chelsea King and looking for Amber Dubois any connection there?
    It looks like about 170 miles straight up I-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    It looks like about 170 miles straight up I-15.
    Thanks, seems to far away for a connection
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