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    Canada - Jessica Lloyd, 27, Belleville, Ontario 01/28/2010 thread #2

    Please continue here.
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    Before the service began, several members of the Canadian Forces entered the funeral home in uniform and wearing black armbands.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/stor...d-funeral.html


    That was a nice gesture.

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    Residents sure Williams led police to body

    Lloyd's body, according to a joint statement by OPP and Belleville city police, was "located" by officers on Monday morning. The body was found on Cary Road, an unpaved crossroad linking Marlbank Road and East Hungerford Road south-east of Tweed.

    Residents who live in the area said they believe Williams must have directed police investigators to Lloyd's body due to the fact the road is lightly used by motorists and its remote location.
    Fleming said the road, which is approximately four kilometres in distance, features no houses and boasts mainly pastures, fields and woods.
    http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleD...aspx?e=2448289


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    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/stor...d-funeral.html

    click on video to right - Jessica Lloyd Funeral
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    Did anyone else hear the CBC radio discussion that talked about his catalogued trophy collection that was hidden in the Ottawa home in a heating duct? My husband was listening to it on Friday while at work, and I can't seem to find any reference to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee10 View Post
    Residents sure Williams led police to body





    http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleD...aspx?e=2448289
    Yeah I'm not so sure that is completely accurate, but we'll go with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkeyesucks View Post
    Yeah I'm not so sure that is completely accurate, but we'll go with it.

    I'm sure going with it. It's way too much of a coincidence that RW talked to OPP investigators on Sunday and poor Jessica's remains were found early Monday morning. (And not one mention of the golf course. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkeyesucks View Post
    Did anyone else hear the CBC radio discussion that talked about his catalogued trophy collection that was hidden in the Ottawa home in a heating duct? My husband was listening to it on Friday while at work, and I can't seem to find any reference to it.
    hmmm, isn't that where Bernardo hid his video tapes years ago. WEIRD!

    I just searched and found that Bernardo hid his tapes in pot lights in the ceiling.

    Police didn't have the tapes because Bernardo hid them in a pot light in the bathroom ceiling of their home. Authorities didn't get their hands on these tapes until September 1994, by which time Homolka was in jail.
    http://osgoode.yorku.ca/media2.nsf/8...a!OpenDocument
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    in defence of our defence
    When the news broke Monday that now-former CFB Trenton Base Commander, Russ Williams had been arrested for the murder of Jessica Lloyd, Marie-France Comeau and the sexual assaults of two other local women, it was as if the world stood still.

    There was the obvious horror that comes with knowing that such a vicious criminal was secretly under our noses the whole time. Anyone can appreciate the gravity of the realization that comes with knowing that if someone in such a prestigious, authoritative and high-profile position as Williams could commit such heinous crimes, then so, it seems, could anyone. Suddenly we all find ourselves suspicious, motives questioned, our abilities to trust anyone severely compromised.(more at link)

    http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/Jessica+Lloyd

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflop View Post
    hmmm, isn't that where Bernardo hid his video tapes years ago. WEIRD!
    bernardo hid his in the back of a closet behind a panel i believe. And then of course later in a lawyers office....


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkeyesucks View Post
    Did anyone else hear the CBC radio discussion that talked about his catalogued trophy collection that was hidden in the Ottawa home in a heating duct? My husband was listening to it on Friday while at work, and I can't seem to find any reference to it.
    I have not heard this, but thanks for sharing it. While I was Googling this, I found several articles that mentioned that the victims were bound with duct tape. I don't recall reading this before. Unwinding and binding with duct tape would take two hands. Again, I have to wonder how he kept these women subdued, while he was using both his hands. Would verbal threats be enough to keep them from trying to escape?

    " ... two women who were bound with duct tape... "


    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opi...-84292357.html

    " ... bound the women with duct tape ... "

    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Wi...660/story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by antiquegirl View Post
    I have not heard this, but thanks for sharing it. While I was Googling this, I found several articles that mentioned that the victims were bound with duct tape. I don't recall reading this before. Unwinding and binding with duct tape would take two hands. Again, I have to wonder how he kept these women subdued, while he was using both his hands. Would verbal threats be enough to keep them from trying to escape?

    " ... two women who were bound with duct tape... "


    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opi...-84292357.html

    " ... bound the women with duct tape ... "

    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Wi...660/story.html

    JMO
    If you sat on them to subdue them you could. And yes, I think that being whacked in the head and waking to find a large man in the room would be enough to confuse me for the time it would take to bind me up. I still think that he knocked the out first, especially if they attempted to fight. could have sat on them and used teeth and one hand for duct taping though.

    Purely speculative though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkeyesucks View Post
    bernardo hid his in the back of a closet behind a panel i believe. And then of course later in a lawyers office....

    behind a light fixure in a drop ceiling

    http://www.allserialkillers.com/paul_bernardo.htm

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    Cops haven't searched Williams' Orleans home

    Though two break and enters — in which the only items stolen were
    women’s underpants — were committed in the Fallingbrook neighbourhood in
    2008, police are stressing that Williams is not a suspect in those
    incidents.
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...71266-qmi.html


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    If Williams confessed to killing Jessica and helped lead LE to Jessica's body, why wouldn't he just confess to all other crimes he may have committed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    If Williams confessed to killing Jessica and helped lead LE to Jessica's body, why wouldn't he just confess to all other crimes he may have committed?
    I think this is on many a mind. He is one smart man- if he confessed to the four crimes he committed it makes him look like he is being upfront and it does lower the suspicion radar a bit for linking him to other crimes though doesn't it. Perhaps he even changed his MO over the years to avoid being caught?

    Just speculating though. I just don't believe that this "just started"....honest Mom, I've only done it this once....

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    If Williams confessed to killing Jessica and helped lead LE to Jessica's body, why wouldn't he just confess to all other crimes he may have committed?
    Perhaps he is & they have to ck records so on to see if he is connected to crimes he confesses to?

    Or maybe he is confessing to crimes that he is sunk with by evidence?


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    "They didn't tell the public they were looking for matching treads. They only asked the drivers if they saw anything unusual. Don't forget, at the time she was just missing, they didn't know she'd been murdered

    But when a driver comes out of the blue and asks the police if they checked into tire tracks, did they have anything -- why the hell would you ask that?

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...64936-sun.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipflop View Post
    "They didn't tell the public they were looking for matching treads. They only asked the drivers if they saw anything unusual. Don't forget, at the time she was just missing, they didn't know she'd been murdered

    But when a driver comes out of the blue and asks the police if they checked into tire tracks, did they have anything -- why the hell would you ask that?

    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...64936-sun.html
    Interesting!

    "a law enforcement source with knowledge of the matter, and speaking on condition of anonymity ... "


    I'm pretty sure I know who this "anonymous" LE source is. These statements are almost identical to those said by (former OPP Sgt.) Cam Wooley on CP24 on Monday.

    ""showed the kind of unusual interest that others (motorists) didn't. Body language, facial expressions, questions asked -- police are trained in this kind of psychology. They look for tell-tale signs that could be the tip of the iceberg. It's a start."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee10 View Post
    Perhaps he is & they have to ck records so on to see if he is connected to crimes he confesses to?

    Or maybe he is confessing to crimes that he is sunk with by evidence?
    ITA with your first sentence. LE cannot charge him on confessions alone. They would need corroborating evidence before he could be charged with further crimes and this takes time. I'm not saying there will be other crimes uncovered, or that he has confessed to any, only that it's too soon to know one way or the other.

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    Very Interesting

    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Wi...660/story.html

    The victims were both women who lived alone. The attacks occurred in the dead of night. The intruder bound the women with duct tape, blindfolded them with pillow cases, tied them to chairs and photographed them.
    "They asked all kinds of things. Did my father beat me, did my mother molest me," he says. "Personal stuff, like what kind of sex do you like.
    Police told him it was one of the victims who identified him.

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    Found it....

    "A source said police are probing 48 such cases and have recovered stolen lingerie - neatly stored, catalogued and concealed - in searches of the suspect's Ottawa home."

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1465532/

    This article also goes on the say:

    "The "bizarre escalation" theory casts doubt on growing public speculation that the alleged pattern of sex crimes could incorporate decades-old "cold" cases of homicide or sexual assault."

    Hence my theory of the change in MO to throw them off the track of other crimes that may or may not be linked in the coming months.

    But the article was written by the man that will be publishing the coming book, so I dunno....trolling for sales?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkeyesucks View Post
    Found it....

    "A source said police are probing 48 such cases and have recovered stolen lingerie - neatly stored, catalogued and concealed - in searches of the suspect's Ottawa home."

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1465532/

    This article also goes on the say:

    "The "bizarre escalation" theory casts doubt on growing public speculation that the alleged pattern of sex crimes could incorporate decades-old "cold" cases of homicide or sexual assault."

    Hence my theory of the change in MO to throw them off the track of other crimes that may or may not be linked in the coming months.

    But the article was written by the man that will be publishing the coming book, so I dunno....trolling for sales?
    (BBM)

    I would think that the man writing the book would be extra careful to make sure his reporting is accurate. If it later comes out that he got too many facts wrong, he will be discredited and fewer people will buy the book. As well, when newspaper journalists make mistakes, readers tend to blame (and sometimes sue) the publication rather than the individual reporter. This won't be the case with a book, where the onus will be on the writer. It would also stand to reason that TA is spending more time and effort doing research on this case than the average reporter. I trust the Globe & Mail more than all the Sun Publication outlets combined. Maybe this is just wishful thinking.

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    That is a good point. I think I just do not trust the media in general.

    Hate the Sun. And I'm not keen on the National Post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkeyesucks View Post
    I think this is on many a mind. He is one smart man- if he confessed to the four crimes he committed it makes him look like he is being upfront and it does lower the suspicion radar a bit for linking him to other crimes though doesn't it. Perhaps he even changed his MO over the years to avoid being caught?

    Just speculating though. I just don't believe that this "just started"....honest Mom, I've only done it this once....
    I was comparing the similarities and differences between what we know about the crimes committed against Comeau and Jessica. In Comeau's case, she was killed and discovered in her home. In Jessica's case, she was not discovered in her home. We are not sure if she was killed there or somewhere else. If she was abducted, then this is a change in his MO, either an escalation of his crimes or a way to throw things off of an investigation involving a single perp.

    About the strange behaviour while in custody i.e. acting like a POW. Does anyone know if he was even an actual POW, it all seems like an act to me. If he's capable of 'faking' this type of behaviour for his own reasons or to instill fear in LE or the jail guards, it seems to me that he will be a hard nut to crack r.e. his involvement in other crimes.

    Just my opinion

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