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    OR - Michael Hays & Douglas Brown for child pornography, Winston, 2008

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    Winston Man Sentenced to 10 Years for Possessing Child Porn

    "EUGENE, Ore. -- A U.S. District judge has sentenced a Winston man to 10 years in federal prison for possessing child pornography.

    Michael Bruce Hays, age 42, pled guilty in September 2009, to possession of computer disks containing child pornography including pictures of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct.

    The case arose from an undercover investigation into the online distribution of child pornography. Agents obtained a search warrant for the defendant's computer where they found more than 16,000 still images and more than 300 videos containing child porn.

    Court records show he admitted that the images show sadistic and masochistic conduct and other depictions of violence, and that he distributed child pornography in order to get more child pornography......."


    more at link

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    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...rison_for.html

    Not much new in this article beyond what was posted in the first one, except...


    "Some of the images found on Michael B. Hays' computer discs depicted acts of sadism, masochism and other violence, reported the U.S. attorney's office for Oregon."

    OMG, you have no idea how much the words Masochism and Child porn irritate me when used together.
    Sadism, I can understand...but we can have the S without the M.
    Masochism: definition: 1. The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
    2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
    3. A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.

    For one to be masochistic, they must derive sexual pleasure from being harmed or humiliated...I highly doubt the children felt any sexual pleasure, likewise I doubt they had a willingness or non-influenced tendency to do much of anything relating to those photos and videos.

    Sorry, but I really think that before people go spouting fetish talk, they should at least understand the basics.

    Grr, at the reporter.

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    not_my_kids--You know I saw that in the other article and wondered too. The reason I linked to the article I did was because of the photo. ITA with you and suspect it was poor reporting.

    You don't think, though, that there's the possibility of masochism being exhibited by the abuser? I can imagine a few scenarios which might come under than heading but agree it's probably just sloppy reporting. I'll check and see if there's a way I can email the reporter to clarify that.

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    Here's the email address of the reporter:

    bryandenson@news.oregonian.com

    I just wrote to him and asked him to clarify. I'll post as soon as I hear back.

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    Thanks Missizzy, It's a really big pet peeve of mine.

    Partially becuase I remember from my attacker's trial, the defense tried to say that the impact was not as severe, as I already showed masochistic tendencies...at 12...needless, to say, I didn't, but it sticks with me.

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    http://www.kpic.com/news/local/84627347.html

    Sorry to double post, but I found this article, sorry if it's been mentioned, but this link says they were prepubescent victims. The first mention I had seen of ages.

    And, of course, now I have to ask, they have the pictures and the videos, but what about the children that had 301 videos and 16, 373 pictures shot of them? Don't get me wrong, getting the demand side of the supply and demand for kiddie porn is great, but we need to nail some more on the supply side, too.

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    O/T - Hugs, NMK.

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    I would be happy to email the reporter as well MissIzz and NMK-I think that on the heels of this we are about to get the big media blitz on the new child molestation book where the writer claims there is no trauma to the molested child....I think we are all going to need to draw our lines in the sand early and LOUDLY.
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    OK, I'm firmly adhered to the bed, Believe. I'm ready. What book?


    NMK, that hurt to read. I'm so sorry. (((hugs)))

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    anyone who thinks they experience no trauma is.......

    a) somone with no soul
    b) someone with no brain
    c) a molester himself (since they think they arent hurting the kids afterall)
    d) all of the above


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    To his credit, I just heard back from the reporter:


    "Thanks for your note. Truth is, I was rewriting a press release on deadline and took the language of the press release. I suspect what they meant, and what I tried to convey (probably poorly) is that these were depictions (which were probably acting) in this fashion. So I suspect you are right about this being feigned masochism."
    Best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    To his credit, I just heard back from the reporter:


    "Thanks for your note. Truth is, I was rewriting a press release on deadline and took the language of the press release. I suspect what they meant, and what I tried to convey (probably poorly) is that these were depictions (which were probably acting) in this fashion. So I suspect you are right about this being feigned masochism."
    Best,
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    Although I am still not happy about it, I have to congratulate him for being man enough to admit that it was a rush job. Most of them wouldn't bother to answer back at all.

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    i'll congradulate him when he prints a correction

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    Quote Originally Posted by not_my_kids View Post
    Thanks Missizzy, It's a really big pet peeve of mine.

    Partially becuase I remember from my attacker's trial, the defense tried to say that the impact was not as severe, as I already showed masochistic tendencies...at 12...needless, to say, I didn't, but it sticks with me.
    NMK, sending you support and care. I'm sorry for all you have been through.

    I think I recall reading one of your posts that you didn't like labels like victim/survivor. Just wanted you to know through those words you helped someone.

    WORDS! Of course it would stick with you. Again, I'm so sorry.

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    See, this is what I hate. Once you get the victim label, every thing you say is up for debate.
    I want to say something that I know won't be popular. At the immediate moment of the abuse, there often isn't trauma. The act itself is not always traumatic. It's the aftermath that is so destructive.
    Of course, I am referring to children that are not taken by physical force and/or are too young to understand that this is wrong. And perversely, I believe that this is just what makes it so traumatic later on. It's one thing for an adult woman to know that they fought as hard as they could against an assalt, even if they don't win the fight. It's another to realize that as a child, you didn't fight because it didn't hurt and you didn't know better.

    Of course, I am not agreeing that there is no trauma, that's bullschnick. of course there is trauma, but with the ones that aren't violent rapists, but rather molestors that look or touch, there may not be physical or immediate trauma. Saying that there is none is like saying cancer doesn't kill because it doesn't hurt at first or kill you right away.

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