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    Anyone ever find out the name of the place she was sent to live in while being in cotati?


    That's not too far from my hometown.

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    I just talked with a friend of mine who is Spanish-basque and she said that the name luxci is a Spanish-basque name. The x makes a "ch" sound.

    The basque though runs the from Spain through France. It was mentioned on another board that there is a huge south American population in Spain.

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    bumping..

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    "Lucy" (Unsolved Mysteries Case) Possible Matches?

    There isn't much known about this woman, other than that she was last seen in December 1993. She was found with meth during the last time that she was seen, so she could have been involved with drugs.

    http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Lucy

    PM #1: Unidentified Hispanic Female found in Temecula, California on Feb. 3, 1994. Age between 19 to 35 years old

    PM #2: Unidentified Female found Los Angeles, California on July 26, 1994. Age between 25 to 40 years old

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    Very mysterious case. She wasn't really deaf and was seen with Meth after she left the shelter. This makes me wonder if she really had amnesia or if she was hiding from someone.

    I wonder if she could have been a teacher at a school for the deaf or if her parent(s) were deaf and that is why she used signing. Maybe she was running away from an abusive husband.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannieC View Post
    Very mysterious case. She wasn't really deaf and was seen with Meth after she left the shelter. This makes me wonder if she really had amnesia or if she was hiding from someone.

    I wonder if she could have been a teacher at a school for the deaf or if her parent(s) were deaf and that is why she used signing. Maybe she was running away from an abusive husband.
    There was much discussion about her on Sitcoms Online.

    I just found some more info on her from an article SO posted:

    "who said the woman is between 20 and 25 years old, 5 feet tall, weighs about 100 pounds and has shoulder-length curly brown hair and brown eyes."

    The same article also says that she didn't understand English or Spanish, even though she was determined to be from Mexico. She was also illiterate and had the mental age of a 9 year old.

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    I found this You Tube video with Lucy.

    [ame="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcaz3u_lucy-luxci_news"]Luxci[/ame]
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 02-20-2013 at 03:46 AM. Reason: Replaced video - previous version not operational
    A parole review date is set for July 21, 2012 for Fred Howard Coffey.

    Coffey was convicted of the murder of 10 yr old Amanda Marie Ray, NC. He admitted to molesting 300 children.

    Please write a letter on behalf of Amanda.

    Suspect in the murders of:
    5 yr old Neely Smith, NC
    14 yr old Kathy Lynn Beatty, MD
    8 yr old Travis Shane King, VA

    Possibly connected to the disappearances of:
    14 Yr old Tracy Anne King, PA
    11 yr old Sheila and 13 yr old Katherine Lyons, MD
    15 yr old Carolyn Majane, NJ



    Write to:
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    RE: Fred Howard Coffey, DOC# 0081135
    or send an email to parole@doc.state.nc.us
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    I know a child with Down's Syndrome who prefers to use sign language to communicate even though he can hear perfectly well. It seems to be more comfortable for him than speaking. Considering one of the articles I read said she had the mental capacity of a 9 yr. old, I wonder.

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    I wonder if they did manage to actually find out anything about the bank receipt after the first try.

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    Hello,

    This is a case that made me discover WS.

    A few years ago I was asked to try and identify a hispanic woman that did not speak english and had no identification. I don't know if I could provide info on what context I met her in...

    I searched missing persons bulletins everywhere, everyday for about 3 months and came up with nothing. Her fingerprints were not on file and we had her checked out with local LE and she had no prints in the system.

    I spoke with this woman and was able to spend time with her for about 3 months. The first two months I spoke to her, she would just look at me and smile while I talked and asked her questions and she would not respond. During the third month, I went to speak to her and was surprised to hear her say, "I remember you" in spanish. I was totally surprised, as she had not spoken to me before.

    I was able to gather quite a bit of information from her. However, all the information she was giving me was outdated.

    I was able to gather that she had some sort of run in with immigration (she was very afraid of LE), she had a son that lived in long beach and she also told me that something had happened to her baby.

    I felt very sad that her family was not with her. She also told me where the son worked and gave me a street name, but the business had closed in early 2000. I printed google maps, and I removed the street names and she was able to tell me street names for main roads in the norwalk and long beach areas.

    The way she spoke was a little bit odd, she spoke in very short, quiet sentences and her spanish dialect was different from what I was used to hearing.

    Also the way she would answer questions was a bit off. I would ask her where she lived and she smiled and said "Where they make the coffee" "You know the good one". The next day I would ask her and she would show me a carnation flower.

    I was determined to figure this lady out, sadly the only good information that did pan out as verified, was that she was living in a shelter called carnations (or something similar), go figure (in mexico sometimes they use nescafe red carnation condensed milk for coffee). She was giving me the information but I did not understand her.

    There were many things she said that were consistent, she was adamant that she just had a baby yet, she looked like she was late 40s early 50s, she said something happened to her baby. She never identified the sex of the baby though. When she was being fingerprinted by a LE, she looked very scared and kept telling me they would call immigration on her. She mentioned a chicken farm, and some type of violent incident there, but I was not able to get more info on that.

    She was eventually sent to a shelter, with no verified identity. I felt so, so bad when she left. I still check, hoping someone would report her missing.

    When I ran across this Luxci and saw her picture I felt like the woman I spoke to was luxci. When I initially spoke to her she said her name was martha lucia, but she pronounced it lux -e-ah, with an emphasis on the x.

    Does anyone have any new information about Luxci??


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    Quote Originally Posted by annemc2 View Post
    I did find a Luxci on a Mexican social networking site who lives in Oaxaca. I think she looks much younger than the "mystery woman" would be now, but she does use some really strange language. I don't know if it's a regional dialect or slang or what but it's not really standard Spanish.

    for example: olaaaa am pz aki les dejo esta foottooo mi me firman okis los kieloo muxooo

    She's the only Luxci that the Google Mexico pulls up.
    It's really silly, misspelled, childish slang. Like "typin lyk dis". It says "Hello, um, well here is a picture. Can you comment on it? I love you all!"
    be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

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    There is something called selective mutism. It is common among people with autism and it does sound like this woman could have that. That means that you do not speak might appear deaf but you can hear perfectly well. The fact that she chooses some communication but rejects other could also suggest autism. Home-made signs might also indicate autism, sometimes they choose to not speak in other ways than their own and if the person first chose hand signs parents might have used proper sign language to try to open the conversation and therefore the person ends up speaking both proper signs and their own signs. The person who thinks s/he might have talked to Luxci and described that she talked in a quiet voice and gave strange answers seem to support autism as well in my judgement.

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    I don't believe this women suffered from autism. The language specialists who described her said she was engaging, try hard to communicate with them. With the autistic populations therapist are forever trying to engage them. I do believe that she is developmentaly delayed and has a communication handicap. As I think it highly unlikely that these therapists would not recognize the difference between someone faking not understanding language and someone really not understanding language. Plus, her behavior in the streets is consistant with a developmentaly delayed adult. Her story hit a nerve with me when I saw it years ago on unsolved mysteries. I pray she is safe somewhere, but fear with her vunverbiities she could have become victim to the streets long ago.

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    This is absolutely fascinating! I live near by and haven't heard about Luxci before. So interesting...

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    I'm really intrigued by this case.

    She wears a single cultured pearl pendant on a gold chain and three rings on her left hand: a filigree silver ring with an onyx stone, a man's pewter school ring reading "Inst. Bancario Comm. Latino Americano," and a gold ring with white stones shaped in the letter S, which may have been the baby's initial.

    This really stands out to me. I did a bit of Googling about her case and it seems that one hypothesis was that she was the victim of a human trafficking scheme, but in that case, I can't really imagine that they would have let her keep all those jewels.

    I also think this means she had not been gone for long. I imagine that if you're wearing that much stuff on you it will attract attention and it might get stolen. Someone who had been living on the street for a long time would have been robbed.

    Do we know where the mention about her having attended a wedding or baptism recently comes from? Was she wearing church clothes? Somehow I get the feeling that finding people related to her would not have been that hard based on that info, if she really had then they could contact nearby churches and see if there had been a wedding or baptism. I'm sure that the people in charge of inviting guests for either would remember her or her family or friends.

    My own : I think that a scenario where her caretakers died or she ran away and ended up getting lost is very possible. In this scenario she leaves the house where her family (caretakers and maybe her child also) lives, puts on her "best" dress and jewels given to her over the years and goes. Maybe she even took jewels from her family for money or just sentimental reasons. The whole plane thing makes me think that the move to the US had a strong impact on her. Maybe her parents died and she moved in with a sibling or another relative in the US, and wanted to go back to the place she considered her home. Reasons for leaving could be many... her caretakers die or are absent for a bit and she goes looking for them, she goes for a walk and gets lost, she's trying to get back to Mexico, she fell in with a bad crowd somehow (hence the meth found on her later), or finally, maybe one of her male relatives was abusive in some way or frightened her and she ran away as it says she's afraid of men.

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    sorry for the double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veidt View Post
    I'm really intrigued by this case.

    She wears a single cultured pearl pendant on a gold chain and three rings on her left hand: a filigree silver ring with an onyx stone, a man's pewter school ring reading "Inst. Bancario Comm. Latino Americano," and a gold ring with white stones shaped in the letter S, which may have been the baby's initial.

    This really stands out to me. I did a bit of Googling about her case and it seems that one hypothesis was that she was the victim of a human trafficking scheme, but in that case, I can't really imagine that they would have let her keep all those jewels.

    I also think this means she had not been gone for long. I imagine that if you're wearing that much stuff on you it will attract attention and it might get stolen. Someone who had been living on the street for a long time would have been robbed.

    Do we know where the mention about her having attended a wedding or baptism recently comes from? Was she wearing church clothes? Somehow I get the feeling that finding people related to her would not have been that hard based on that info, if she really had then they could contact nearby churches and see if there had been a wedding or baptism. I'm sure that the people in charge of inviting guests for either would remember her or her family or friends.

    My own : I think that a scenario where her caretakers died or she ran away and ended up getting lost is very possible. In this scenario she leaves the house where her family (caretakers and maybe her child also) lives, puts on her "best" dress and jewels given to her over the years and goes. Maybe she even took jewels from her family for money or just sentimental reasons. The whole plane thing makes me think that the move to the US had a strong impact on her. Maybe her parents died and she moved in with a sibling or another relative in the US, and wanted to go back to the place she considered her home. Reasons for leaving could be many... her caretakers die or are absent for a bit and she goes looking for them, she goes for a walk and gets lost, she's trying to get back to Mexico, she fell in with a bad crowd somehow (hence the meth found on her later), or finally, maybe one of her male relatives was abusive in some way or frightened her and she ran away as it says she's afraid of men.
    When I was speaking to the woman she used a word in spanish that I did not understand and I asked my mother. My mom told me that the word usually referred to coyote, which means people that help others cross the border. She said that the exact word she used usually meant that she had to go to the traffickers home first and family members pay the remainder or the fee and then would be released.

    When I first talked to the woman she told me that she had recently wore a white dress, and pretty shoes. I saw that her nails were polished, they were chipped though, and I asked her about it and that is when she told me she wore the white dress. IIRC, she did tell me that she had worn a wig, and she kept petting her hair. I also remember when I wore my hair flat ironed straight one day, she told me I had a pretty wig and where did I buy it.

    I just feel really sad that I was not able to identify her.

    edited to add: I have so many things that I remember about her that I did not type up the first time. I called about 40 homeless shelters in Los Angeles/Long Beach and I remember one shelter in particular did say they had a Hispanic female that matched our woman, however she never had information on her either.

    I even tried calling several psych hospitals in Los Angeles, they did tell me that if they had an unknown patient that they would be released to a homeless shelter and an APS report would be filed.

    I, of course, tried to contact APS in several counties and they pretty much said it was not their problem.

    From what we were able to gather one shelter in particular did not seem honest. I figured she was sent to our county from LA as she was found near a greyhound station.

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    She's older maybe than they think the unidentified woman is... and the doenetwork pages says she is a little taller... but what about Servia Lucia Faria Alves? The resemblance to her photo is passable and it would explain the S ring AND her thinking she is called Luxci. She's Brazilian and went missing in Washington, January 1992. I'm not sure where she would have picked up Mexican signs.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1010dfwa.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by reasypeasy View Post
    She's older maybe than they think the unidentified woman is... and the doenetwork pages says she is a little taller... but what about Servia Lucia Faria Alves? The resemblance to her photo is passable and it would explain the S ring AND her thinking she is called Luxci. She's Brazilian and went missing in Washington, January 1992. I'm not sure where she would have picked up Mexican signs.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1010dfwa.html


    That was actually one that I thought of but, we pretty much had nothing to compare to. We didn't know her age, they estimated the age to 40 to 60. Her prints came up completely clean, nothing in the system. Her face shape is similar too.

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    The name Luxia is not typically Spanish. Sounds more like Portugese or Basque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnum P.E. View Post
    The name Luxia is not typically Spanish. Sounds more like Portugese or Basque.
    Do you mean Lucia? If so I know many Hispanic women with that name.

    If you meant Luxia/Luxci, I agree it looks weird. I had asked my mom about i remember she gave me a name of a place were it would be used but I don't remember what it was . I regret that I got rid of my notes I took.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnum P.E. View Post
    The name Luxia is not typically Spanish. Sounds more like Portugese or Basque.
    My first thought was Galician, maybe also Basque. A Google search says it's used in France but that sounds really strange to me - maybe they're referring to a specific region/dialect. In both Portuguese and Spanish it would not have been spelled with an x but with a c.

    However, Luxci used both an x and c. I wonder why. Maybe her parents just preferred a variant spelled with an x or xc, without necessarily speaking a language where that would be normal. It could also be that she didn't know or could not remember how to spell it correctly. I wonder if the lack of a (making it Luxci rather than Luxcia) could be a spelling mistake or something else - her given name, a reference to the name "Lucy", an attempt at a more American-sounding name. If she made a spelling mistake I think it would be helpful to figure out where she could be from that her name could be conceivably spelled with -xc- based on its sound, but really, it's also possible she didn't know the letters that well.

    ana, it's really sad that the lady you know and Luxci haven't been identified. I hope both of them end up ok and with their families. I wonder if the lady you're talking about could have been using wig as a slang term, or if she was simply confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veidt View Post
    My first thought was Galician, maybe also Basque. A Google search says it's used in France but that sounds really strange to me - maybe they're referring to a specific region/dialect. In both Portuguese and Spanish it would not have been spelled with an x but with a c.

    However, Luxci used both an x and c. I wonder why. Maybe her parents just preferred a variant spelled with an x or xc, without necessarily speaking a language where that would be normal. It could also be that she didn't know or could not remember how to spell it correctly. I wonder if the lack of a (making it Luxci rather than Luxcia) could be a spelling mistake or something else - her given name, a reference to the name "Lucy", an attempt at a more American-sounding name. If she made a spelling mistake I think it would be helpful to figure out where she could be from that her name could be conceivably spelled with -xc- based on its sound, but really, it's also possible she didn't know the letters that well.

    ana, it's really sad that the lady you know and Luxci haven't been identified. I hope both of them end up ok and with their families. I wonder if the lady you're talking about could have been using wig as a slang term, or if she was simply confused.

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    Yeah the sound and spelling was really weird to me. Spanish is my primary language as is English, but I was taught a more relaxed version of Spanish. I know formal words but I don't speak formally in everyday conversation.

    I knew when I was talking to her, some of the words/slang she used, I had never heard before. When I asked my mom about it she knew the words I was asking her about. My mom is from south west Mexico, so I initially didnt think out of Mexico.

    I know there are some french mexicans out there, but usually their names are traditional mexican names.


    I know the lady I was talking to was confused to a certain extent. I guess I will never know. I just hope they find some where to be safe.

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