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    Quote Originally Posted by Julessleuther View Post
    Fascinating story--so she missing now? I wonder how she would have been able to survive on the streets. I wish we could get better photos of her--I wonder of Ventura Cty LE would have any? She could be one of the hundreds of UID's. The ring appears to come from the International Banking Institute in Panama.
    http://www.institutobancario.org/
    I have been unable to find any other articles since late 1993 when it said she was in Cotati (above). However ,that wasn't exactly a happy article: she had been taken to a home of some sort in Ventura County as opposed to the shelter she was living in during this Unsolved Mysteries episode. She escaped the home. Then she ended up on the street, all the way up in Cotati - which is an incredible distance away, by the end of 1993, and had drugs on her. Still alone, still not speaking, at one time badly bruised...

    Not exactly encouraging, and makes you think she could be a UID , because even if they put her in a shelter up there or a home (don't know), she might have escaped again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by annemc2 View Post
    Thanks for posting this case UMfanforever! I totally remember her. The collection of articles is great. Does anyone know where she is now? Like is she still in CA or did she manage to find her way back home? Are there any more recent articles?

    I might have found a more plausible connection to the ring -

    Instituto Bancario Comercial Latinoamericano A.c
    Prisciliano Sanchez 323 Guadalajara Centro, Jalisco 44100,
    t: 3336131353

    Jalisco is a state on the western side of Mexico (Puerto Vallarta is there). The school has no website or email (that I could find).
    There could be more articles/sightings. I just haven't found them yet. Her status is unknown, but I would say not only missing but unidentified. Just hoping someone can figure out what her real name is someday!


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    Migrant/Immigrant Families in US in early 1990's

    FWIW, I worked with the children of migrant Mexican families in farming in the US from 1993-1999. My specialty was education of children with special needs and disabilities.

    We dealt with one family who had a daughter with significant delays, mainly b/c where they had been in Mexico, her "condition" was considered to be an embarrassment for the family, and they hid her in the home and from visitors, and the siblings were told not to mention that she existed. The mom had worked in a chemical factory in Mexico while pregnant, and this child was born with many challenges. The child had never been to school and never really even out in public when we (literally) found her hidden in their apt.

    Her family loved her very much, but culturally, they had been so accustomed to keeping her away from society b/c they were ashamed, that they had no idea that there were services and schooling for children with special needs in the US. The mom was so grateful when we found her and told her that we could help. She obviously loved her daughter very much, but since the mom had no education at all, either, it was a HUGE challenge.

    The little girl regularly attended school (most migrant kids miss a ton of school, but she was always there). We had a zillion specialists working with her, but since she was about 12 and never had any kind of formal language, not Spanish, not English, not sign language, but a few "home signs," it was INCREDIBLY difficult to make much progress.

    Developmentally, if people do not "get" a formal language by age 8, it is highly unlikely that they will ever be ABLE to acquire formal language. Those neural transmissions just don't develop after that age. (This is one of the reasons that many Deaf advocates encourage use of ASL when children are young, even if the family insists on English down the road, so that the critical language development years are not "lost," but that is a separate, heated argument.)

    HTH.


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    Quote Originally Posted by runr View Post
    FWIW, I worked with the children of migrant Mexican families in farming in the US from 1993-1999. My specialty was education of children with special needs and disabilities.

    We dealt with one family who had a daughter with significant delays, mainly b/c where they had been in Mexico, her "condition" was considered to be an embarrassment for the family, and they hid her in the home and from visitors, and the siblings were told not to mention that she existed. The mom had worked in a chemical factory in Mexico while pregnant, and this child was born with many challenges. The child had never been to school and never really even out in public when we (literally) found her hidden in their apt.

    Her family loved her very much, but culturally, they had been so accustomed to keeping her away from society b/c they were ashamed, that they had no idea that there were services and schooling for children with special needs in the US. The mom was so grateful when we found her and told her that we could help. She obviously loved her daughter very much, but since the mom had no education at all, either, it was a HUGE challenge.

    The little girl regularly attended school (most migrant kids miss a ton of school, but she was always there). We had a zillion specialists working with her, but since she was about 12 and never had any kind of formal language, not Spanish, not English, not sign language, but a few "home signs," it was INCREDIBLY difficult to make much progress.

    Developmentally, if people do not "get" a formal language by age 8, it is highly unlikely that they will ever be ABLE to acquire formal language. Those neural transmissions just don't develop after that age. (This is one of the reasons that many Deaf advocates encourage use of ASL when children are young, even if the family insists on English down the road, so that the critical language development years are not "lost," but that is a separate, heated argument.)

    HTH.

    That's sad. Are you saying they can't even be tought the alphabet and taught as if they were in kindergarten or pre-school?


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    Quote Originally Posted by UMfanforever View Post
    That's sad. Are you saying they can't even be tought the alphabet and taught as if they were in kindergarten or pre-school?
    I'm not saying that; 20 years of linguistics and language acquisition research indicates that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by runr View Post
    I'm not saying that; 20 years of linguistics and language acquisition research indicates that.
    I remember reading about this when that girl from California (Genie?) was found. She had been kept locked up in her home by her parents, and she had no language skills. Because she was a teen, she was never really able to develop language skills. I thought it was younger than 8 though, the age that is sort of the cut off date for being able to develop language.

    There was also that little girl in Florida, being raised by her mentally deficient mother and brothers. She was found in squalor, and she had the saddest, most eerie gaze...


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    Quote Originally Posted by runr View Post
    FWIW, I worked with the children of migrant Mexican families in farming in the US from 1993-1999. My specialty was education of children with special needs and disabilities.

    We dealt with one family who had a daughter with significant delays, mainly b/c where they had been in Mexico, her "condition" was considered to be an embarrassment for the family, and they hid her in the home and from visitors, and the siblings were told not to mention that she existed. The mom had worked in a chemical factory in Mexico while pregnant, and this child was born with many challenges. The child had never been to school and never really even out in public when we (literally) found her hidden in their apt.

    Her family loved her very much, but culturally, they had been so accustomed to keeping her away from society b/c they were ashamed, that they had no idea that there were services and schooling for children with special needs in the US. The mom was so grateful when we found her and told her that we could help. She obviously loved her daughter very much, but since the mom had no education at all, either, it was a HUGE challenge.

    The little girl regularly attended school (most migrant kids miss a ton of school, but she was always there). We had a zillion specialists working with her, but since she was about 12 and never had any kind of formal language, not Spanish, not English, not sign language, but a few "home signs," it was INCREDIBLY difficult to make much progress.

    Developmentally, if people do not "get" a formal language by age 8, it is highly unlikely that they will ever be ABLE to acquire formal language. Those neural transmissions just don't develop after that age. (This is one of the reasons that many Deaf advocates encourage use of ASL when children are young, even if the family insists on English down the road, so that the critical language development years are not "lost," but that is a separate, heated argument.)

    HTH.
    My sister in Oregon has a friend from Mexico who has a son in his early 20's who is severely mentally disabled from a high fever when he was a baby. He can't talk, all he can do is grunt and he is constantly biting the side of his hand. Luxsi appears to me to have a similar condition, although she doesn't do the hand biting.

    He loves Mariachi music and goes bonkers with glee when the Mariachis play. He'll stick his face right up within inches of the guitar strings as they are playing. But the family loves him equally as his brothers and sister, and they have no embarrassment in taking him in public with the rest of the family.
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    My point was not to imply anything negative at all about Mexico, the people there, or its culture as a whole, only that this ONE family with whom I worked, in a completely uneducated and migrant community, felt this way.


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    Thanks, runr.

    I had no intention to imply that you had an overall negative view of the Mexican people.

    I was just making an observation of my own experience in this regard with no intended implication as to your feelings toward the Mexican culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runr View Post
    My point was not to imply anything negative at all about Mexico, the people there, or its culture as a whole, only that this ONE family with whom I worked, in a completely uneducated and migrant community, felt this way.
    You seem awfully sensitive - no one is attacking you. Just asking questions/making statements.

    Hope Lucy is found soon and that somehow someone can get a full name and birthdate out of her someday...or that someone recognizes her and can. Somehow, she was abandoned, whether it be intentionally or not.
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    Anyone ever find out the name of the place she was sent to live in while being in cotati?


    That's not too far from my hometown.


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    I just talked with a friend of mine who is Spanish-basque and she said that the name luxci is a Spanish-basque name. The x makes a "ch" sound.

    The basque though runs the from Spain through France. It was mentioned on another board that there is a huge south American population in Spain.


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    bumping..


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    "Lucy" (Unsolved Mysteries Case) Possible Matches?

    There isn't much known about this woman, other than that she was last seen in December 1993. She was found with meth during the last time that she was seen, so she could have been involved with drugs.

    http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Lucy

    PM #1: Unidentified Hispanic Female found in Temecula, California on Feb. 3, 1994. Age between 19 to 35 years old

    PM #2: Unidentified Female found Los Angeles, California on July 26, 1994. Age between 25 to 40 years old


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