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    Question The garrote points to........

    The main reason I think BDI is the garrote.It's like a pain in my #$%.....it just doesn't fit any of my PDI/JDI theories and it drives me nuts!

    Some say that PR or JR applied it as part of the staging not knowing that she was still alive.I really can't buy this.....this is a bit too much.

    The autopsy report says clear that either of the two (headbash,strangulation) could have caused her death so IMO this means she WAS strangled,the cord wasn't just gently applied only to make it look like something it was not.Someone PULLED that cord.

    I also really can't believe that PR would have used her OWN brush to manufacture the garrote......it's just SICK,I don't see JR doing it either.Why use it anyway?WHy not use a simple cord???

    The only explanation I can come up with is that it WAS a game gone wrong,just not a sex game like Wecht said but a little boy wanting to mock,intimidate,over power or dominate his little sister.Maybe that's also how the head bash happened.

    And yep,the REST is staging,parents wanting to cover it up.

    BUT something's wrong with this theory as well.......why didn't they get rid of the garrote if so?

    Pls help me out with this cause I really can't buy the "they didn't know she was still alive and applied the garrote" theory.It doesn't make sense.It's cruel and not probable and way too complicated.I am repeating myself,why not use a simple cord,why take time to manufacture a garrote AND using PR's brush?You just can't do that as a parent,especially if the death was an accident.

    all imo
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    If BDI- then he wasn't alone. He had to have been with someone older, and my bet is on JAR. BR alone couldn't have done it, IMHO. He seems just too immature, and not just his small size. I think even if he bashed her hard enough to put that hole in her skull, he wouldn't think to make a garrote using his mother's paint brush to strangle her just to stage it. If this was a sex game- not something a kid that age would do without some influence from an older male. I don't think he knew about the blanket in the basement dryer. And if he had bashed her (to shut her up when she screamed), I think he would have left her where she fell. If he was involved (and I think of this too, sometimes) he was not alone. I do think that would be certainly a reason why both parents would go to the extent they did to cover up this death. And it explains why BOTH parents would do it. Patsy, for BR, JR for his son JAR. I can't see Patsy doing it for her stepson alone. So that's where BR fits in for me.
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    What if he wasn't alone indeed.Where the other kids ever questionned?I am really trying to find a reason why the Stines and the Fernies behaved like they did and can't.I don't think they would lie or cover up for PR or JR.imo

    Who (except the Ramsey's) saw JB alive last?

    We don't even know if she was alive when they arrived home.

    Sometimes I think that the reason they said she was sound asleep is that they were afraid someone saw them carrying JB from the car to the house and might ask questions.

    No one can say whether she was alive or not when they entered their home.
    What if something happened in the car?
    FGS it's weird that none of them can remember exactly who took the gifts where and who got out of the car and who not.The friends testimonies would really help here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    The main reason I think BDI is the garrote.It's like a pain in my #$%.....it just doesn't fit any of my PDI/JDI theories and it drives me nuts!

    Some say that PR or JR applied it as part of the staging not knowing that she was still alive.I really can't buy this.....this is a bit too much.

    The autopsy report says clear that either of the two (headbash,strangulation) could have caused her death so IMO this means she WAS strangled,the cord wasn't just gently applied only to make it look like something it was not.Someone PULLED that cord.

    I also really can't believe that PR would have used her OWN brush to manufacture the garrote......it's just SICK,I don't see JR doing it either.Why use it anyway?WHy not use a simple cord???

    The only explanation I can come up with is that it WAS a game gone wrong,just not a sex game like Wecht said but a little boy wanting to mock,intimidate,over power or dominate his little sister.Maybe that's also how the head bash happened.

    And yep,the REST is staging,parents wanting to cover it up.

    BUT something's wrong with this theory as well.......why didn't they get rid of the garrote if so?

    Pls help me out with this cause I really can't buy the "they didn't know she was still alive and applied the garrote" theory.It doesn't make sense.It's cruel and not probable and way too complicated.I am repeating myself,why not use a simple cord,why take time to manufacture a garrote AND using PR's brush?You just can't do that as a parent,especially if the death was an accident.

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    Why do we have two threads on the garotte??
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    Maybe,but Burke said she walked in that night...And would they think of sitting out the pineapple if she ate any at the places they visited...And why send him away,wouldn't they want to keep him close to make sure he didn't say anything to anybody...
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    Hey y'all ...

    Has a poster ever recreated the garotte?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Hey y'all ...

    Has a poster ever recreated the garotte?
    Yep.because the cord ended up being too long (same lenght as the original) it was kinda hard to pull without holding down the doll with my knee(used an old doll in the reconstruction)


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    madeleine, you know I've got nothing but love for you. But I can't stand by this.
    I know
    Hey....I will probably never know which R did what(they made sure it happens like this,didn't they) so I guess I am trying to find the more simple explanation right now.I also find it kinda hard to believe (I know,it's not impossible) that a wife would stand by her man if he's a molester and responsible for such a crime or that a man (who sometimes really sounds sincere when saying he loved JB) would cover for a psycho wife.

    Let's say one of these scenarios is true.....you would think that one would protect the remaining child from the other,right?

    That's why it all makes sense if they did it for Burke.
    This doesn't mean it's so,just looking at this possibility now.


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    Why was AH's priority nr 1 to clear BR?


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    For Tad:

    (re no marks on her back)Yep,that's why I thought that maybe she was dragged. and it was used like a leesh or something.


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    Hi madeleine.

    ty.

    I had been reading about antemortem marks always being red in color.
    I wondered about tension and resistance and if the paint brush handle could have been the object that made those marks.
    But if, as SD suggests, only one tug and the noose part would hold tension, then the handle does serve no purpose, unless the rope was wrapped more than once around JBR's neck?

    The handle being, visual rather than functional.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Hey y'all ...

    Has a poster ever recreated the garotte?
    This one has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Yep.because the cord ended up being too long (same lenght as the original) it was kinda hard to pull without holding down the doll with my knee(used an old doll in the reconstruction)
    Yeah, that's how it ended up with me, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadpole12 View Post
    Hi madeleine.

    ty.

    I had been reading about antemortem marks always being red in color.
    I wondered about tension and resistance and if the paint brush handle could have been the object that made those marks.
    But if, as SD suggests, only one tug and the noose part would hold tension, then the handle does serve no purpose, unless the rope was wrapped more than once around JBR's neck?

    The handle being, visual rather than functional.
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