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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    Thank you Omaha. The profile mug shot does resemble the composite sketch in Tom and Shirlee's case, IMO. It will be interesting to follow this story for any additional charges. I wonder if this guy's m.o. was to follow/stalk the housekeeper in order to target certain homes in upper class neighborhoods. The article didn't state in what type of neighborhood this occured, but I infer that in must be an affluent one. (Who can afford a house keeper in this economy?) Do you know the distance between McAllen and Omaha?

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    McAllen, Texas is practically in Mexico......too far to be connected I believe.
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    Yellow Dog- nice to see you back again.

    I was going back over old posts today. Does anyone remember when someone posted in the original thread about some Russian guy the Hunters may have known and that he was supposed to possibly be mixed up in all this somehow? I can try to pinpoint the poster but if anyone recalls this or if the person making the post is following, maybe you can elaborate.
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    Good hearing from you both Snick and YD.

    Here's the post Snick referred to above....page 11 of thread 1...post 274...link below

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    oh well i figured you may have looked over that article it's been floating around this thread for some time, you just asked me for validation on body placement. I am very frustrated by the lack of fresh information, wish i could have brought something new, i mean I've heard someone with a connection say something about a suspect who is a Russian male somehow intertwined with the family in a weird way, nothing concrete, as for the way they were killed it is true they were stabbed in the neck, but the husband whose wife read the full police report said that it was far more vicious and gruesome than the police had revealed to the public, thats all he said thats all his wife told him, it was something meant to be kept to herself.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=67963&page=11

    Please note that I've seen no confirmation in news media about this allegedly suspicious Russian man in R's post.

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    I find the fact that both were stabbed in the neck strange. If you grabbed someone from behind, it seems like it would be more difficult to stab them there than in the chest or the abdomen as you would probably have your hand around their neck to immobilize them. Would there be less bleeding if stabbed in the neck? And, if you approached them straight on, it would seem logical to stab in the chest area. Was it a medical person who went straight for the carotid artery knowing it would be fatal almost immediately? Of course, if they were tied up first, that would change the whole scenario and maybe they were. We don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDog View Post
    I find the fact that both were stabbed in the neck strange. If you grabbed someone from behind, it seems like it would be more difficult to stab them there than in the chest or the abdomen as you would probably have your hand around their neck to immobilize them. Would there be less bleeding if stabbed in the neck? And, if you approached them straight on, it would seem logical to stab in the chest area. Was it a medical person who went straight for the carotid artery knowing it would be fatal almost immediately? Of course, if they were tied up first, that would change the whole scenario and maybe they were. We don't know.
    I have never read or heard anything to indicate they were tied up first, and some of my contacts would know if this were so. In fact the indications appear to be that they were taken by surprise and dispatched quickly. I think the location of the wounds is suggestive- this was someone who knew where to attack them to quickly neutralize them. It is possible that a lay person could have picked this up but my idea is that this suggests either a medical education or a professional hitman.
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    starting from scratch

    Building upon my above post # 60.......

    I've gone back to the beginning and read and re-read news articles and all of your posts.

    First of all, I have wondered why the perp arrived at the Hunter home while both Tom and Shirlee were present. What is the simplest explanation?

    I think it was simply to ensure gaining access to the Hunter residence.

    Think about it from a parent's perspective. Tom was most likely a 'latchkey kid' for a few hours in the afternoon til his parents arrived home from work. It is a universal rule among parents that 'under no circumstances do you answer the door". However, if an adult, like Shirlee, is present, then the probability of gaining entrance is doubled. Regardless of who answered the door, the perp requested to see the other person and stepped inside to 'wait'.

    This is another reason I think Tom was being tracked thru his online activities, whether gaming or chat rooms. My guess is gaming which is sometimes thru a broadband or cable connection and Tom enjoyed playing, inferred from his game being set on pause when the murders occured. I also think Mrs. Hunter is correct in questioning whether the house was being cased. (per above linked article from Omaha World Herald).

    Also, the website by 'Omaha', linked by Snick on the previous page (IIRC) poses the question, 'Why did the murders occur on the one day of the week that Shirlee Sherman was working at the Hunter home?' (not exact words but you get the gist) My opinion is because it was simply to ensure a greater probability of gaining access into the Hunter residence.

    I think this perp 'did his homework' in order to get away with this crime. It seems very well thought out and calculated, IMO.

    This is my theory and opinion, for today anyway. Please feel free to debunk, discuss, etc. I am just trying to get a discussion going. Let's remember...Means....Motive....Opportunity....

    I am interested to read others theories.

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    Waltzing Matilda - very well thought reasoning about picking the day for the murder. The big question then becomes motive and why someone wanted to kill them. Was it revenge against the parents or someone targeting Tom or Shirlee for some other reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maznblu1 View Post
    Waltzing Matilda - very well thought reasoning about picking the day for the murder. The big question then becomes motive and why someone wanted to kill them. Was it revenge against the parents or someone targeting Tom or Shirlee for some other reason?
    I really don't know where to go from here, but here's my thinking for now. There was nothing taken from the residence that has been reported. Shirlee even had a large sum of money in her purse which was not taken. Apparently, the motive was NOT robbery. This article http://www.omaha.com/article/20091025/NEWS01/710259859

    states The killer left behind bloody knives, Claire Hunter said. But police told the Hunters that they found little other physical evidence.

    The inference that I glean from this statement is that the killer brought his own knives and left them behind. (were the knives left in the bodies? Ugh! I hate typing that thought.)

    So if the killers motive was not to steal anything then was it to leave something? Like a calling card or message? KNIVES in the victims throats? The victims cartoid arteries were allegedly slashed, causing sure and instant death. Who would have such knowledge? Not your average Joe, IMO. Someone was showing off their skills!?

    The Forensic Astrologers say the charts indicate the perp is technologically inclined. I do believe this is true and if my pc goes on the blink after posting this (as it has in the past when I posted controversial topics on this thread), I will really be freaked out.

    My stance remains the same as it was in the beginning. The answer lies behind the walls of Creighton. This could be the result of something that happened years ago that the Drs. Hunter have long forgotten or not. But this is just my gut feeling.

    Whatever the motive, I feel it is waaaay bigger, deeper, darker and dangerous than I really like thinking about.

    As always, MOO, of course.

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    Great post Matilda ... If I recall correctly the Astro's also said the killers came from far away. We have discussed that out-of state plate on the vehicle he drove. The killer obviously was skilled in his method of murder, but I was always bothered by the fact he left the knives. That to me says he did leave the knives in their bodies, it was a message to either or both Dr's. So that, in conjunction with all you stated above indicates planning/premeditation. I also agree with you that the answer lies with Creighton, I thought that from the get-go.

    What gets me is the timing. Mom was in Hawaii, Dad was at work and as you said the day Shirlee was in the home to clean. Thomas had not been home from school for long. Who had access to all of these people's schedules, their comings and going. Thomas could be tracked easy enough through the online gaming as you said, heck we can see when each other are online here at WS. But the others required a little more effort. Would an outsider unrelated to Creighton know the Dr's schedules? This may be way out there, but what about a phone tap? Surely Claire would be discussing her flight schedule, when she would depart and return, making arrangements for Thomas, perhaps calling Shirlee to give her special instructions. What better way to know of the intimate details of that day ....

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    The knives were indeed left in the bodies. I cannot say how I know this but they were. This had the effect of minimizing bleeding, the crime scene was described by on scene investigators as 'very neat' and 'clinical.'
    I cannot say what this indicates. I would still like to know if the knives were from the kitchen or brought in. I did see one drawing of the murder weapons and they appeared to be what you'd find on a kitchen counter.
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    The crime scene as you described it above is either a professional hit man or someone related to the medical field who has above average knowledge of the human body, IMO.

    Would the killer come with no murder weapon? This said in reply to your thought the knives were from the home. Did something change once he entered the home and he decided not use his weapon? We know he had a satchel on his shoulder correct? When he made his move on Shirlee was the knife rack in the home closer and quicker than reaching into the satchel? After finishing with Shirlee, he hears Thomas coming up the stairs from the basement and grabs another knife, chases him into the dining room? There was never a need to use his own weapon.

    Was there any description of the knives? Wood or synthetic material handles? Just thinking about how he would have avoided leaving prints. Leather gloves on when he entered?

    Sorry to be so graphic.

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    Knox....those were my exact questions.......totally what I've been pondering but just couldn't get them all typed out......thanks for wording them so eloquently.

    Good God....this case just seems to sound even worse (if that's even possible) as time goes by and details come out.....how absolutely awful.

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    I still believe organized crime is responsible for this....this seems to support my earlier theories about Russian Mafia.

    The Drs and son could have been stalked for quite a while through online gaming, social networking, telephone/cell, any use of web scheduling tools...very scary.

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    Not out of the question by any means SnowAngels. Being lazy by not going back to look for your prior posts; Can you tell me why you think they would be targeted by RM?

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    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4376330#post4376330"]Omaha double murder - Page 33 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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