02-27-2010, 06:32 AM #1
IN - Lake Village, 'Adam' & 'Brad' 999UMIN & 1384UMIN, Eyler victims, Oct'83
I searched and didn't find a thread already started. Normally I would not start a single thread for two Does, but neither are listed at Doe Network, and only one is listed at Namus, so starting here with the thread for both. Perhaps we can later seperate into two threads.
Newton County coroner is reopening a cold case.
Newton County Coroner Scott McCord speaks with emotion about two sets of unidentified skeletal remains he inherited in early 2009, shortly after taking office.
They're the bodies of two young men, possibly from southern Indiana, who were brutally stabbed. Mushroom hunters found them on abandoned farm property near Sumava Resorts on Oct. 18, 1983.
For McCord, whose goal is to have the bodies identified by the end of this year, the endeavor has become personal. He's even given them temporary names -- Adam and Brad.
"They need to be home," McCord said. "Somebody is missing a brother or a son. Family perhaps didn't know where to look."
The unidentified men were victims of Larry Eyler, a Crawfordsville native who confessed to murdering nearly two dozen young men in the Midwest in the early 1980s.
McCord's undertaking began in January 2009 when, as the newly elected coroner, he asked Newton County officials for a formal office. Before, files were kept by the coroner or stored at the sheriff's department.
"I go in, and the office is just filled with past cases," McCord said. "I come across two banker boxes, and inside are the skeletal remains of victims three and four."
"... I found an Indiana State Police case number with them, and called to have it checked out. That linked them to Larry Eyler." Those victims were among four bodies found buried in shallow graves in northern Newton County on Oct. 19, 1983, near Indiana 10 and the Kankakee River. All of them were stabbed multiple times
much more at link:
Lets give this Newton County Coroner a WS hand here in helping him solve these two unidentified cases. It really sounds like he is starting from scratch based on the above article, and I am sure he will appreciate any and all help he can get!
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02-27-2010, 06:33 AM #2
Adam Doe's Namus case report and link
From the article posted in first link, about "Adam"
"Larry, in his confession, said 'Adam' was picked up in mid-July 1983 near Terre Haute," McCord said. "He said he picked up a black male in his late teens or early 20s ... who was hitchhiking."
Status Unidentified Case number56-09-Adam83
Date found October 18, 1983 at 12:00 AM
Date created October 08, 2009 at 04:58 PM
Date last modified December 08, 2009 at 08:46 AM
Date QA reviewed October 09, 2009 at 05:12 AM
Estimated age Adult - Pre 20 Minimum age 17 years Maximum age 19 years
Race Black/African American Ethnicity
Estimated Height (inch)72, Estimated
more at link.
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02-27-2010, 06:49 AM #3
There is nothing on Namus yet for Brad doe. Adam doe is the only John Doe listed from Indiana with the October 18, 1983 date.
What I can gather on Brad Doe from the article posted in the first link:
Less information is known about the second victim, whom McCord calls "Brad." Cook and Pless were able to determine that he was a white male, about 180 pounds. McCord estimated his height between 5-foot-11 and 6-foot-1.
He's waiting on Project EDAN to complete Brad's forensic sketch. Both are being done at no charge to the coroner's office, McCord said.
02-27-2010, 07:03 AM #4
Also from the article linked in the first post:
According to information McCord has gathered, Eyler would take victims from southern Indiana and bury them in northern Indiana -- and vice versa -- to avoid detection.
Lake Village Indiana is in NW Indiana, and appears to be about 20-25 miles south of Gary Indiana and very close to the Illinois/Indiana state line.
02-27-2010, 07:36 AM #5Registered User
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I'll throw one out here for "Brad."
Carl J Holland, age 23, missing October 1983.
He's a little too old, a little too thin and a little too tall to match - but he's not way off on any of them. He was missing from SE Indiana and the Doe was found in the NW corner of Indiana, so matches the MO perfectly.
He did have a vehicle, which was found abandoned 15 miles north of home. They seem to have an idea of what happened because he is believed to have been killed and dumped in Ohio, where he was last seen.
02-27-2010, 08:04 AM #6
I saw him Cymro. He was found closer to the IN/Ohio border. I don't know if Eyler ventured to western Indiana. It seems he was closer to the IL/IN border, but I still haven't read all I need to about Eyler. Some of his victims were found outside of IN so it is not impossible......
Also, when Adam and Brad were found, there were 4 victims found at the same location. Two were identified, these two remain unidentified.
I wonder if this coroner would be willing to give us some additional information which might help lining up potential matches while he is awaiting DNA and the sketches. Based on the article, I think he would. It's not like they have an open investigation that any info might harm the investigation. They know who the killer was, and they know the killer is now deceased.
02-27-2010, 09:52 AM #7
May I please ask?Were they both african american?I found this as possible matches.I will look more.I'm sure they probably saw this.I did not put the whole article.I can't get the link to work.I believe there is a thread here on them if someone can find it and put it on.
30 Years Later -- 5 Teens Still Missing
Community Remembers Boys Who Vanished
NEW YORK -- Thirty years ago, five teenage boys vanished after playing basketball in Newark, N.J. They were never heard from again.
Their remains were never found, Social Security numbers never used -- and no arrests have ever been made. But the community has never forgotten its tragic loss.
Melvin Pittman, 17, Randy Johnson, 16, Ernest Taylor, 17, Alvin Turner, 16, and Michael McDowell, 16, who have become known as "The Clinton Avenue Five," vanished Aug. 20, 1978. Wednesday marks the 30th anniversary of their disappearance.
The case, which is New Jersey's oldest cold case, remains open. But after 30 years without any solid leads, it's unclear what, if anything, is left to find.
And although most of the boys' family members are dead, the community remembers.
An annual memorial service is held at Clinton Avenue Presbyterian Church. On Sunday, the Rev. Alfred Johnson led an 11 a.m. service at the church on 16th Street.
News 4 New York talked to family members of one of the missing boys. Stay tuned for the broadcast Sunday night.
Facts Of The Case
The teens were last seen entering the pickup truck of a man who reportedly offered them summer part-time work -- and they were never seen again. Police questioned the contractor, Lee Anthony Evans, and cleared him of suspicion after he passed polygraph tests.
Several days after the boys disappeared, one of their mothers got a phone call from a man who said he would tell her where the boys were for $750. Police traced the call to a payphone at Union Station in Washington, D.C., but by the time they arrived, whoever had made the call apparently had fled.
The investigation has taken detectives all over the country.
Detectives checked military records, religious cults, the bodies from Jim Jones' 1978 mass suicide in Jonestown, Guyana, according to Reuters, and the victims of Chicago serial killer John Wayne Gacy, who was executed for the rape and murder of 33 boys and men -- to no avail.
In 1996, police followed a lead from a psychic who had previously helped detectives find the body of a missing boy in a drainpipe. The psychic had a vision the boys' burned remains were buried in a five-acre field near Newark International Airport. Searchers came up empty-handed.
Picture of the boys
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02-27-2010, 10:11 AM #8Registered User
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One was African-American, the other was Caucasian. Both were approximately 6'0" and 180 lbs - fairly average build for an athletic young man.
"Adam," the African-American was claimed to have been picked up near Terre Haute, In, in July 1983. It isn't expressly stated but I would imagine that the remains found were consistent with a date of death within six months.
For Adam to be one of the five missing black teens, he would have had to make his way from NJ to Indiana, stay alive for five years, become separated from the four others, and be murdered by a serial killer. Even the youngest of those men would be just outside the upper age range (although not by enough to rule them out definitively).
My personal opinion is that when Adam went missing, either no report was made, or racial prejudice and/or a general lack of interest in missing teens came into play and the police either refused to take a report or closed the case prematurely.
02-27-2010, 10:15 AM #9
02-27-2010, 02:51 PM #10
Charley lists only two Black males aged 15 to 19 whose DLC was between 01-Aug-81 and 01-Aug-83. Neither of them look like really strong possibles for Adam Doe.
William Christopher Delk
Physical descriptors are about right but there is a full-year lag between DLC and estimated date of death, and the geography is a stretch. Pretty difficult to concoct a scenario where he is hitchhiking in Terre Haute a year after he disappeared.
Charles Hall III
The geography is not bad, but there is a year and a half lag with circumstances suggestive of a sudden involuntary disappearance, as opposed to someone who would wander for a 1 1/2 years.
If you stretch out the time-line to five years before estimated date of death, all you get in addition to the above two are the Newark 5.
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02-27-2010, 08:51 PM #11
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02-27-2010, 09:03 PM #12
This is what I got on one of the sites on this serial killer.Were these the 4 found?
Quote from article
October 18 yielded four bodies in Newton County, dumped together at an abandoned farm; one victim had been decapitated, and all had their pants pulled down, indicating sexual motives in the slayings. Another "John Doe" was recovered on December 5, near Effingham, Illinois, and the body-count jumped again, two days later, when Richard Wayne and an unidentified male were found dead near Indianapolis.
Very sick guy.I hope he got the death penalty.It's very sad.ALL EVIL NEEDS TO SUCCEED IS FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO DO NOTHING!!!!
02-27-2010, 10:08 PM #13
May I ask, was Eyler generally honest in his confessions? Can we trust his word at all of where he said he picked them up, or is it just as likely that they could have come from anywhere?
03-01-2010, 11:33 PM #14
I don't know who the other are who were identified. I think that is a very good question. If they were all buried around the same time they were possibly buried at the same time, or around the same time. However, the article said they were found on an abandoned barn/farm so who knows how long the barn/farm was abandoned. If for a long time, Eyler could have used the same spot at different times if it was isolated enough he knew he wouldn't get caught disposing of the bodies.
03-01-2010, 11:38 PM #15
I think so. IIRC, there were quite a few articles. Some came up with pornographic photos so I can't link them. (why they were attached to those kind of pics I don't know......) His atty is pretty well known. there are quite a few articles about her, and from what I read I think he was honest about the confessions. IIRC, the confessions were to negotiate a plea sparing him the death penalty. Because there were various jurisdictions involved, all had to agree and one, from Illinois - Cook Cty iirc, did not agree.
Yes, while I think he was honest with where he picked them up, that doesn't mean they couldn't have already hitched from just about anywhere and picked up in southern indiana.
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