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    OK - Valentino 'Tony' Verner, 27, shot to death, Tulsa, 28 Feb 2010

    I searched the site and didn't see this posted anywhere.

    http://www.fox23.com/news/local/stor...O3jghR4IQ.cspx

    Crowd Watches Tulsa's 9th Murder, Witnesses Silent
    Reported by: Lyndsay Levingston
    Email: LLevingston@fox23.com
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    TULSA, OK - Tulsa Police are experiencing frustration as they investigate a crime in which none of the hundred-plus witnesses will come forward with information.

    Officers responded to a shooting Saturday night at the Chicken Hut in the 1500 block of East Apache Street.

    When they arrived, they victim, Valentino Verner, 27, had been shot several times.

    He was transported to the hospital, where he later died from his injuries.

    Verner was standing in front of the eatery when the gunman approached him.

    "What we know is there were 100-150 people standing around, waiting for their food," Officer Jason Willingham, with the Tulsa Police Department said. "We know that there are people out there who knows who's responsible and saw who's responsible."

    Willingham told FOX23 the crowd scattered when officers arrived. Police were able to interview only one witness.

    "At this point, we have to start our investigation from the start, we don't even have a motive."

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    Here's another news report;

    http://www.newson6.com/Global/catego...partnerclipid=

    I guess people are scared, it was probably gang related. Weird how people didn't run until the cops showed up.

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    Would be interesting to know the demographics of the crowd as well as the surrounding neighborhood. Illegals? Low socio-economic / "ghetto" / "gang activity" crowd?

    Sure would help to know that to understand the why.

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    hey man, whats more important, identifying a murderer or eating dinner?

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    how "big" was this eatery? 100 - 150 people standing around waiting for their food - that's a lot of chicken. I can only imagine the frustration of the family with no one coming forward.

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    Behavior at crime scene denounced
    Witnesses to the shooting walked over the victim's body and yelled at first-responders.

    By JARREL WADE World Staff Writer
    Published: 3/2/2010 2:28 AM
    Last Modified: 3/2/2010 4:42 AM

    The actions of a crowd that hindered officials' efforts to investigate and help a shooting victim early Sunday were "unacceptable," an EMSA spokeswoman said Monday.

    Valentino Verner, 27, was shot several times outside the Chicken Hut, 1500 E. Apache St., just before 3 a.m.

    He died from his injuries.

    About 100 patrons were at the late-night, walk-up restaurant, and some were walking over the man's body to get their food, EMSA spokeswoman Tina Wells said.

    "It's very upsetting," Wells said Monday. "It's just absolutely unacceptable."

    EMSA paramedics were impeded while attending to the patient and had to rush the patient away from the area for his protection and theirs, Wells said.

    Paramedics were at the scene for only seven minutes before they had to leave, she said.

    "There were many irate bystanders yelling at the (EMSA) crew, Tulsa police and Tulsa firefighters," Wells said.

    Police Capt. Karen Tipler said Sunday that many of the patrons witnessed the shooting but were uncooperative with authorities.

    She said witnesses were aggressive and angry toward the police when they tried to help Verner.

    Verner was taken to St. John Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead, Tipler said.

    No suspects have been arrested in connection with the homicide, and police have said they don't know a motive for the shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SWAG1959 View Post
    Would be interesting to know the demographics of the crowd as well as the surrounding neighborhood. Illegals? Low socio-economic / "ghetto" / "gang activity" crowd?

    Sure would help to know that to understand the why.
    "Snitches get stiches"?

    The poor Po Po yo. The cops are lucky the mob didn't turn on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWAG1959 View Post
    Would be interesting to know the demographics of the crowd as well as the surrounding neighborhood. Illegals? Low socio-economic / "ghetto" / "gang activity" crowd?

    Sure would help to know that to understand the why.
    I have lived in Tulsa my whole life and when I saw this on the news this weekend it almost made me cry. How embarrassing that this is how the North Tulsa community has represented itself.

    This is a "gang ridden" side of town that is as brutal as Detroit. It is not uncommon to have muders everyday of the week there, but for no one to do anything as a man lay dying, stepping over him to get CHICKEN AT 3 in the MORNING!! that makes me sick and sad. They didn't have a grocery store for 3 years and this year they finally got one on the Northside and in it's first month of business the manager is held at gunpoint and forced to open the safe.
    That is this neighborhood.

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    North Tulsa was also the scene of the infamous Race Riot of 1921, a.k.a. the Greenwood riots, during which, after racial oppression on a grand scale caused unrest in the black community, whites set fire to black-owned businesses and also attacked the area from airplanes - firing rifles and dropping firebombs from above. It still stands as the worst race riot in U.S. history. It is estimated that hundreds were killed.

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot[/ame]

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    i can actually understand them being scared and not wanting to talk.

    but walking over a human body to get your supper is utterly sickenig


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    I'll also add that, in my career as a college teacher, I taught probably 30-40 kids from north Tulsa, all typical freshmen - some good, and some not quite so; some sweet, some ornery, and some a bit of both; some talkative, some shy, some funny, some serious, some spiritual, some worldly. There are no stereotypes: one really cannot say, Oh, north Tulsans? they'll step right over a dead body to get some take-out food. That some did is a bit disheartening. Everything, though, occurs in a context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    I'll also add that, in my career as a college teacher, I taught probably 30-40 kids from north Tulsa, all typical freshmen - some good, and some not quite so; some sweet, some ornery, and some a bit of both; some talkative, some shy, some funny, some serious, some spiritual, some worldly. There are no stereotypes: one really cannot say, Oh, north Tulsans? they'll step right over a dead body to get some take-out food. That some did is a bit disheartening. Everything, though, occurs in a context.
    I totally agree with what you said, I was not trying to make a generalized stereotype of North Tulsans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domesticmess View Post
    I totally agree with what you said, I was not trying to make a generalized stereotype of North Tulsans.
    I know. I was about to write after quoting your piece above that I know what you mean - it made me sick and sad after reading that the new grocery got robbed, and now this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    North Tulsa was also the scene of the infamous Race Riot of 1921, a.k.a. the Greenwood riots, during which, after racial oppression on a grand scale caused unrest in the black community, whites set fire to black-owned businesses and also attacked the area from airplanes - firing rifles and dropping firebombs from above. It still stands as the worst race riot in U.S. history. It is estimated that hundreds were killed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
    Wfgodot, thank you for this information. We didn't learn this in school. Typically all I knew of the race riots were the 60's.

    DM, I'm so sorry you're heart is broken over seeing your home town represented in such a way. Wit that I can empathize. The frightening part is it actually at some point doesn't shock anymore. I don't want that to happen to anyone.

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    Karna can be rough. I hope that none of those 150 witnesses never experience getting shot under the same set of circumstances. Truly sad. All I can figure out was that the shooter may have been there the entire time.

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