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    Evidently someone called on the 5th (before the phone went dead on the 6th). It wasn't answered. We don't know if it went to voice mail or who it came from or if they hung-up without leaving a message.

    The tiny apartment is the same one they'd always lived in and were evicted from for non-payment of rent from August to Nov.
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    If they always lived in a tiny apartment, they probably always had things in storage & maybe even the same pods. Fer shure, they didn't suddenly acquire stuff that didn't fit in the new house which was generous in size. I do wonder if Joey also stored some articles pertaining to the fountain business. My chief concern is that what is at the rental units is devoid of anything that couldn't be classed as goods, if you see what I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuba View Post
    If they always lived in a tiny apartment, they probably always had things in storage & maybe even the same pods. Fer shure, they didn't suddenly acquire stuff that didn't fit in the new house which was generous in size. I do wonder if Joey also stored some articles pertaining to the fountain business. My chief concern is that what is at the rental units is devoid of anything that couldn't be classed as goods, if you see what I mean.
    I don't see what you mean.

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    Like I said in #45 above, I just hope it is belongings and maybe some goods related to the business. I don't want there to be anything grim in the rental storage.
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    Hi Tuba,

    Just wanted to clarify. On JVM's show, she mentioned that Joey recieved a call on the 5th....that it was the last phone call. JVM did not say if the call was answered or not. She asks the lead detective in the case about that call. Sgt Brugos confirms that a call was made on the 5th. Throughout this episode it is repeatedly mentioned that the 'bombshell' phone records will be released that night (the night of the show airing). They were never released. Upon asking Michael McStay about the phone records in another forum, he made no mention of a phone call on the 5th, and said that the last call was on the 4th around 8:30pm with C Merritt, Joey's 'coworker/business partner'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuba View Post
    http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/r...ardFrom001.jpg

    The Sun is in detriment in Aquarius and, based on circumstances, taking a risk. Children are a paramount concern. Zero degrees holds the cusps of four Houses, one of them the House of risks and children, telling me the conditions there are handled in haste and with immaturity. Too bad the phone isn't tapped because a threat would be recorded.

    Jupiter is inside another sector of life that is barely underway but impatience and haste is taking over already and Jupiter is in crisis: a labour situation blows up as matters climax there. Spitting and clenching of the fists. This is serious. The Moon of activity in wide latitude feels free to do "whatever it takes". As noted in the chart margin, this frustrated Jupiter, spouting like a whale, has solstice point on the cusp of money, H. 2.

    Solstice point of that rising Saturn is due to act on Sunday, just after spring begins. Sunday is March 21. We will know the resolution of this mystery.
    When you say we will know the resolution of this mystery are you saying WHEN? Or just that we will eventually know it?
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    I am saying that the rising degree of the phone call that was logged (Joey McStay) is a mark in time which = this disappearance and that rising degree is parallel Saturn. Both those facts are written onto the left margin of the night call of February 4. That emblem was tripped off by the Sun yesterday, March 21, i.e., the ASC and the parallel Saturn were activated. This same Saturn rules the OUTCOME House of the case and is badly afflicted, so the news when it comes, is not good. But this Sunday activation will produce results. I dread hearing what happened to these people.

    As to when we might get news about the McStays, Mercury is in Aries at 19, not doing much that links to the February disappearance. The Mercury back at the event was 2258' Capricorn about to perfect its sextile to Uranus and that is more promising in terms of law enforcement disclosures but relates to the border surveillance videos & the sighting of the abandoned Isuzu Trooper. Compared to many of our cases, I feel the police have revealed quite a good deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuba View Post
    I am saying that the rising degree of the phone call that was logged (Joey McStay) is a mark in time which = this disappearance and that rising degree is parallel Saturn. Both those facts are written onto the left margin of the night call of February 4. That emblem was tripped off by the Sun yesterday, March 21, i.e., the ASC and the parallel Saturn were activated. This same Saturn rules the OUTCOME House of the case and is badly afflicted, so the news when it comes, is not good. But this Sunday activation will produce results. I dread hearing what happened to these people.

    As to when we might get news about the McStays, Mercury is in Aries at 19, not doing much that links to the February disappearance. The Mercury back at the event was 2258' Capricorn about to perfect its sextile to Uranus and that is more promising in terms of law enforcement disclosures but relates to the border surveillance videos & the sighting of the abandoned Isuzu Trooper. Compared to many of our cases, I feel the police have revealed quite a good deal.
    JM's birth surname is supposedly "Ashley", sleuthed out on the Missing Forum. It resides in his natal chart at 20 Aries. Today it is transiting at 20 Aries, with Mercury coming from behind. Sunday it'll be at 22 Aries, fingers crossed.
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    Thanks for that information. You know, somewhere in Bonsall or Fallbrook is a clerk who sold them the groceries police referrred to, or a postman who saw them, somebody who physically SAW them for a final time. How I wish we had that information for a timed chart because what we are working from is far more indirect that our usual basis for Time of Disappearance. We have an abandoned car, but they were long gone. We have phone calls for each adult, but probably not even on the same day they vanished.
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    Just read this from the Missing Forum, by liz, #821

    "A poster on another forum received am email from MM's wife. The McStays were seen on a neighborhood surveillance video, driving away from their home at 8:30pm on the 4th. She made a typo and wrote 1/4, but it must be 2/4. Nothing since then..

    So.... nothing happened at that house in the way of a home invasion etc.

    What is really strange is that LE too CADAVER dogs into the backyard of that house, and they surely saw the neighborhood surveillance tape BEFORE they did that. OMG ......"

    Evidently LE and the extended family have known this all along.


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    That is vital information, thank you! That means the phone call at 8:39 between Joey and Merritt rang through after the family left the home & while in motion on the roads or at some momentary stop. This case becomes stranger and stranger. The phone call ASC does show, aside from the described instability of the situation, that it was too late to solve the problem that arose and with Saturn retrograde rising, failure loomed. And we do know that the crisis was about to sharpen as Scorpio Moon was just minutes from a perfect square to retrograde Mars in Leo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuba View Post
    That is vital information, thank you! That means the phone call at 8:39 between Joey and Merritt rang through after the family left the home & while in motion on the roads or at some momentary stop. This case becomes stranger and stranger. The phone call ASC does show, aside from the described instability of the situation, that it was too late to solve the problem that arose and with Saturn retrograde rising, failure loomed. And we do know that the crisis was about to sharpen as Scorpio Moon was just minutes from a perfect square to retrograde Mars in Leo.
    You lost me. Could you break this down in layman's terms? Are you saying a decision was made but didn't come to fruition? On the part of the McStays?

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    If you want to call it a decision, that's fine. I didn't. What I was saying was that the adult McStays thought they were going to solve a problem but it was too late. Their idea failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuba View Post
    If you want to call it a decision, that's fine. I didn't. What I was saying was that the adult McStays thought they were going to solve a problem but it was too late. Their idea failed.
    Thank you for spelling it out for me. Now I understand.

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    New information in this case. Car videotaped leaving home at 7:47 pm on the night of Feb 4th. Did not return to house. Found at border on the 8th. Nieghbor's surveillence video caught all 4 members of the family entering the car according to this report. http://www.sanclementetimes.com/view...ance=eye_on_sc
    The report also states that the final call was made by Joey's phone and went unanswered. This call was made at 8:28pm on the night of the 4th, and lasted for 1 minute. The call was made to Chase (Charles Ray) Merritt, the business associate.

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