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  1. #16
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    Just want to stick this article in here:

    Constitutionality of 'Jessica's Law' questioned
    Treating sex predators differently from other violent offenders may violate equal protection guarantees, the California Supreme Court says.

    January 29, 2010|By Maura Dolan

    The California Supreme Court ruled 5 to 2 Thursday that a 2006 ballot initiative that permitted the state to lock up sexually violent predators indefinitely may violate constitutional guarantees of equal protection.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan...or29-2010jan29

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    Just leaving ONE RSO out means more crime...........17,000 creeps out!
    How many will they rape and kill an slaughter?????
    Disgusting!!!! and Unforgiveable..............
    Kyron, HALEIGH, ADJI & Gabriel NEEDS PRAYERS NOW TO FIND THEM!. Zahra & Jonathan in heaven
    Justice for Hailey!!!!
    No Justice for Caylee Marie..........

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    Well, first, the spotlight needs to go on this, and it needs to shine very brightly.

    It's one thing to blog and write letters, but those of us that are capable need to use all our rights, and that includes assembly, peaceful protest, and the press. I am not going to use this as a platform to organize a movement, mainly since I'm on the other side of the country, but there are some closer that I know could organize marches, protests and light a fire under the press.

    Write the guys that hold the purse strings. The Tourism Commission, the Governor (obviously) and the person that is in charge of bringing new residents, businesses and tourists in to the state. Tell them that you are considering leaving the state, and taking your business and tax dollars with you, as you no longer feel safe.

    Look into civil procedures. Class action lawsuits. See if there is a dereliction of duty.
    Start climbing up the ladder, this will likely go federal before there are changes.

    Learn the actual name and numbers for the law. If anyone is serious about changing this and ready to speak out, those numbers should be as familiar as their own birthdate.

    I'll have to come back when I'm a little less shell shocked.

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    It would be helpful if someone could post here a list of mailing addresses for the governor, state senators, state representatives, etc. for CA.
    "Don't forget the kangaroo!"

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    Absolutely unreal...especially seeing the tragedy of
    Chelsea King

    here is a list for California reps..seems they do NOT have to post their email however, so not all included

    http://www.legislature.ca.gov/quicklinks/faq.html

    complete list of lawmakers ...no I am not "conservative" but this is a good list


    http://conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

    Laws are ONLY good if they are enforced....I am a huge supporter of Jessica's Law...but it needs to be inforced


    we have laws that work...but they are NOT enforced

    Now we see clearly some laws are not enforced by "decision"

    I have been "yapping" about the fact that Florida's DCF is only recieving a fraction of the abuse/endangered reports...due to budget cuts

    they have made an Orwelian decision to reduce costs....they simply have the calls filtered out so that ONLY a fraction are even turned in, they have cheap phone room that cuts off the investigations before they start

    this is an ongoing practice

    and how many other states are doing similar shortcuts?? Jessica's Law and other laws will ONLY work if they are enforced
    My own desire is to see what I call "Jessica's Law on Steriods"

    How many more children and people will go missing...how many more laws and feel good resolutions will be passed without addressing the real problems??

    >>> Problem #1....Pedophiles and sexual deviants and predators and sociopaths will not be cured, they don't want to be cured, they see nothing wrong with what they do, and they intend to do it however and wherever they can. They are not going to change and should be eliminated or segregated from society forever> Penal colony, islands worked before..ie, Alcatraz

    >>>Problem #2.. Mentally ill people do not take their "meds"..and they are dangerous to themselves and others. How many of these cases on these boards is the person "bipolar" or "off their meds"?? I speak as a person who had an uncle with mental illness..who was in mental hospitals...my family was safe thanks to that

    we have a real lack of mental hospitals, programs, help for families who have a loved one who can be dangerous to themselves and others


    >>> Lack of swift intervention....families of people with mental illnesses are stumped..they have no power..they are probably afraid of the mentally ill person...they can't control them and LE will do nothing.
    People here blame the families when the likelihood is the family is worn out from trying to deal with their problem relative. And in many cases said problem relative kills their own family member/s


    I think it all has to do with budget cuts and priorities out of whack

    those on parole or probation with mental illness should likewise be checked for meds and/or forced meds or else incarcerated (mental hospital is fine with me)

    >>> an idea : in future, they might have some sort of implant to give them their meds, like birth control..this would be ideal..til then we need to ensure they are taking their meds or locked up period
    They should write today's laws so that in the future they will be covered for whatever new tech and medical developments come out

    in the future we also might have implants or something in all sexual offenders, more than just an ankle bracelet

    IMHO Locking them up for life is a good idea...violent sex offenders, those that molest children...should never be freed..they will always be a danger

    Kudos to Marc Klaas...I will do whatever I can to get the word out about this horrible situation.
    Last edited by LogicalMinds; 03-07-2010 at 07:45 PM.

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    INfo from Wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica's_Law

    Bill O'Riley has a good page on Jessica's Law

    http://www.billoreilly.com/outragefunnels

    Now.....I have to wonder...what other states are doing what California is doing?? Bypassing the law to cut corners and save money??

    I can clearly see that Florida's DCF is engaged in dangerous budget shaving measures...how could I find out if our state is doing the same sort of catch and release game that Calif is playing with sexual predators?


    I will also state right now that I do maintain we need a better way to classify these creeps...we need to sort out the juvenile offenders, the so called "romeo and juliets" from the real predators....IMHO the predators need to be put away...one strike and out for life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    You have read the information. Now please understand this;

    Not one thing has been done about this problem. Here we have solid black and white proof of the California Department of Mental Health breaking the law (which resulted in the death of a young girl at the hands of a released predator) and nobody does a thing. NOTHING.

    You can bet your behind that if Brittney Spears complains about the paparazzi following her too closely she'll get action. Someone will pay attention to her complaints.

    But I guess when the California Department of Mental Health breaks the law 17 THOUSAND times and each one of those times represents a dangerous predator being released to an unknowing public then that gets put on the back burner.

    For once my fingertips are at a loss as to what to type.
    Tricia, first off, I'd like to thank you for bringing this to our attention! Secondly, I am as outraged as you. However, I am not surprised in the least that this is occurring - matter of fact, I suspect that California is not the only state where this "practice" is taking place unfortunately. What can we do to help change and stop this from continuing? I live in Maine so I don't know if/what I can do to help but perhaps Marc would have some idea(s).

    I did a research paper for school last year on the sexual abuse epidemic in this country. I touched upon this subject but, at that time this recent information from Marc wasn't available. However, I did find some extremely troubling information regarding released sex offenders who were, at the expense of the tax payers, being housed in motels/hotels, unbeknownst to hotel/motel guests, in order to avoid having to register (post-release registration/relocation varies state-by-state, but usually required within 10 days - I think California is 5-days), which would put them on the radar and "out" the fact that groups of them were/are being housed within communities at the local motels/hotels, the parole officer's would pick them up (watched a surveillance tape of this playing out) and then take them to another town/city to stay at a hotel/motel there and this would be repeated... unless/until adequate housing (housing in an area without code/legal restrictions on RSO's AND a monthly rental fee that the state and/or the released offender could afford/or willing to pay). This is a huge problem; it's a dangerous "shell-game" that most people don't even realize is being played out in their own town/city - or an unknowing hotel/motel guests(s).

    With that said;
    I'd like to express my gratitude to those professionals, the "whistle blower's", for having the strength and the courage to come forward - Thank you and God Bless you!!! Many people do not understand how difficult it is/can be to do this within a bureacracy. Not only is it difficult, it can be (and usually is)downright scary! These people need our (the public's) support and I hope that we'll all band together here and give it to them.

    I'd also like to thank Marc Klaas (I love you Man!!!); for his tireless work/efforts to help make this world a better and safer place for every child and for bringing this information to the public's attention. Although I may not always agree with Marc (re: Haleigh case), I respect and admire him beyond measure. Marc Klaas is a true American Hero in my book!

    Last - but not least - Thank you Tricia for all that you do to help bring change & justice, two things that we so desparately need now-a-days, and for using size 5 text that effectively screams "I'm pizzed!" It inspires me to not be afraid and to speak up/out too - I hope you never change!
    Last edited by nomoresorrow; 03-07-2010 at 09:15 PM.

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    I am so sick about this that I can't fight back the tears. This is so davastating! It was already plenty unsafe out there for our children as it was, now this!! This country is falling to pieces.

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    Originally Posted by LogicalMinds;
    >>> Problem #1....Pedophiles and sexual deviants and predators and sociopaths will not be cured, they don't want to be cured, they see nothing wrong with what they do, and they intend to do it however and wherever they can. They are not going to change and should be eliminated or segregated from society forever> Penal colony, islands worked before..ie, Alcatraz

    >>>Problem #2.. Mentally ill people do not take their "meds"..and they are dangerous to themselves and others. How many of these cases on these boards is the person "bipolar" or "off their meds"?? I speak as a person who had an uncle with mental illness..who was in mental hospitals...my family was safe thanks to that.
    I hope that you don't take offense Logical but I don't understand the connection between sex offenders and people with a mental illness? Perhaps I missed a piece of info somewhere and, if that's the case, could you please point me in the right direction - TIA.

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    Is the violation of "Jessica's Law" only happening in California or are there other states that also are violating the law?

    If others states are in violation of "Jessica's Law" then the movement should be to get all the states to follow the law.

    It's clear something is wrong as the High Risk Sex Offenders who never killed before are now going to a much higher level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nomoresorrow View Post
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    I hope that you don't take offense Logical but I don't understand the connection between sex offenders and people with a mental illness? Perhaps I missed a piece of info somewhere and, if that's the case, could you please point me in the right direction - TIA.

    Dept of MENTAL HEALTH is the topic of this thread ....which I believe is probably understaffed in most states

    the situation described here was that of Psychiatrists who were supposed to interview these offenders before they are released and are not doing their job, "lack of funds"....

    which leads to the fact that these same "Dept of Mental health" are also not providing services to people who need it....mentally ill people are not monitored...families with a mentally ill person, "off their meds" have few resources..what can they do?? and one only needs to look at these many cases to see how many mentally ill people not only commit crimes but are victims of crimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogicalMinds View Post

    >>> Problem #1....Pedophiles and sexual deviants and predators and sociopaths will not be cured, they don't want to be cured, they see nothing wrong with what they do, and they intend to do it however and wherever they can. They are not going to change and should be eliminated or segregated from society forever> Penal colony, islands worked before..ie, Alcatraz

    .
    There are a lot of people classified as "sociopaths" in the world and it would be difficult to "eliminate or segregate" them from society as most just enjoy hurting, lying or using people in life. I know a few of them in my lifetime.

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    Patty I am afraid that many states are bending the law and letting these offenders out again in the name of budget cuts

    I have posted before about my disgust at the DCF in Florida..

    people on these boards say "report abuse"...or "I would turn them in" or "why didn't anyone turn them in?" but the fact is that with double speak and double talk our DCF found a way to cut their case load...they just don't take the cases

    Cries for help to DCF hot line go unheeded by design

    Reminds me of "newspeak" in George Orwell's 1984 book....just change the parameters and all is "well"....
    Florida solved the problem of too many cases by just not taking more cases, by ignoring them. A quote from the article " Beginning last year, DCF dramatically increased the number of abuse calls considered unworthy of investigation.

    In an effort to reduce workload -- and the system-wide stress that high case loads generate -- intake workers at the Tallahassee-based hot line have been screening out tens of thousands of calls"

    Likewise, California has decided to simply NOT follow their own guidelines as written under Jessica's Law....they have decided on a rubber stamp approach to let these predators out of prison to control spending on prison budget.

    and what else is going on??

    How can we find out what is being done in our own states in regards to Jessica's Law?? thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
    There are a lot of people classified as "sociopaths" in the world and it would be difficult to "eliminate or segregate" them from society as most just enjoy hurting, lying or using people in life. I know a few of them in my lifetime.
    True..and they can't do that...but when sociopaths commit crimes they need to be put away for good IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
    Just want to stick this article in here:

    Constitutionality of 'Jessica's Law' questioned
    Treating sex predators differently from other violent offenders may violate equal protection guarantees, the California Supreme Court says.

    January 29, 2010|By Maura Dolan

    The California Supreme Court ruled 5 to 2 Thursday that a 2006 ballot initiative that permitted the state to lock up sexually violent predators indefinitely may violate constitutional guarantees of equal protection.
    dear california supreme court;

    I. Don't. Care.

    sincerely,
    someone who wishes not to be raped and murdered because the pervs of the world need to have "equal protection".

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