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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherry Baker View Post
    Just read through this thread and was wondering if anyone in CA has brought about any suits against the MHD or if there has been any action (protests, media blitz, etc) since this thread started?
    CB I have lived in So CA most of my life, moving away 6 years ago and returning mid May 2010. When I bring up this subject, people look at me as if I have grown an extra head or something - either they don't want to hear it or they don't believe it.

    Another problem I have been tracking is the sex abuse involving the Catholic Church - how is it possible there is not enough evidence to bring the Upper Echelon into court to answer for their complicity. Moving accused priests around, without any attempt to do the right thing and make them answer for their crimes - paying off anyone they could in an attempt to make the whole ugly business go away. And it looks like they may win. The Archdiocese in Los Angeles - according to the LA County DA's office there is not enough evidence - DA: Insufficient evidence found to charge cardinal!

    http://www.snapnetwork.org/snap_stat...ms_respond.htm

    We've routinely found evidence that the church has covered up allegations of abuse and continued to place these priests into positions of trust," DeMarco said. "That to me is a fraud and there's probably quite a few folks out there who could benefit."

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...aud23_ST_N.htm
    So they have come up with their own team to come to the defense when the abuse is reported :

    http://archdiocese.la/protecting/response.html

    GREAT! (not!)

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    80 Police Officers were pink slipped in Oakland yesterday, when the union and the city could not come to a contract agreement.

    Chief of Police Anthony Batts said there will be a variety of services the people of Oakland have come to expect that will no longer be handled by the PD or will be handled via the internet with the victims filing an on-line report.

    One service he specified that will be dropped, is the on-line RSO and Sexual Predators list.

    With the in-flux of 17,000 new "members" I suspect Oakland will not be the only PD that no longer wants this responsibility.
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    y'all gotta be joking but i know this is no joking matter

    They truly set 17K of the nastiest gutter trash out on the streets to perp on people some more? What was the point of incarcerating them to begin with? I really don't know what to say. I pay attention to the news and had not heard about this.

    Man am I glad that they have a Castle Law in Ohio. If someone busts into my place I'm not asking any questions. Quick swift justice of the type they can't be released from. Let God sort them out.

    But yes I'll add this to my extensive list of why I will never move to California. Nice place to visit in some parts. But I will never live there.

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    Need help please!

    I was just informed that a sexual offender (who directly harmed a member of my family) has petitioned to have his sexual offender registration status suspended. It has been over ten years since he was released from prison. The incident occured in NC, where he still resides. Does anyone have any experience dealing with this? How do we ensure he does not win his petition? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I would hate to think that having his SO status revoked could possibly put another child in danger. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    And finally we have the State Auditor's response;
    What a piece of back pedaling, say nothing junk!! These 3 documents need to be sent in email form to all CA newspapers and radio stations!! Please send it to people like Nancy Grace and Rush Limbaugh too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
    Just want to stick this article in here:

    Constitutionality of 'Jessica's Law' questioned
    Treating sex predators differently from other violent offenders may violate equal protection guarantees, the California Supreme Court says.

    January 29, 2010|By Maura Dolan

    The California Supreme Court ruled 5 to 2 Thursday that a 2006 ballot initiative that permitted the state to lock up sexually violent predators indefinitely may violate constitutional guarantees of equal protection.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan...or29-2010jan29
    No problem, change the law to apply to all violent crimes. One problem solved!

    Quote Originally Posted by nomoresorrow View Post
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    Sex offenders were more likely to re-offend if they had prior sex offenses or male victims, if they victimized strangers or extra-familial victims, if they began sexually offending at an early age, or if they engaged in diverse sex crimes.69 The study found that sexual offense recidivism was most likely for offenders who had sexual interest in children, deviant sexual preferences, and sexual interest in boys. Failure to complete treatment was also found to be a moderate predictor of sexual recidivism. Being sexually abused as a child was not related to repeat sexual offending.

    Read the entire (61-page) report at the following link: http://www.library.ca.gov/crb/04/12/04-012.pdf
    That pretty much covers them all I think.

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    Thank you. You are so right...

    It was a truly eye opening experience. It is amazing how fast a man can go from being 'the go to guy', to being - Who? You learn real fast who your true friends are...



    FamilyWatchDog is an excellent site.

    I wish I or anyone - knew the answer to your question... I keep thinking there must be an answer here, there must be something we can do. If there is I haven't found it.

    One of the things we need is a loud voice so people understand what we are living with. When digging around looking for anything on the Shantina Smiley and Az Carter case in WA - there were a couple RSO's living near by where she was last seen.. I posted the info and was "informed" by another member 1 of the men is not a convicted SO. Well that's odd, why is his name and photo on a list of the state's 2nd & 3rd degree RSO's??? And why was his conviction and release date one and the same? What; when you kidnap your 17 y.o. neighbor for the purpose of forcing yourself on her, time served is good enough??

    When are people going to understand these offenders are hard wired to do what they do? At this time there is no known cure... The numbers of them who look like a grandpa or a preacher is frightening too. (Which undoubtedly many are either or both)

    How about a tattoo in neon orange or green of RSO across their forehead (different colors for different crimes...) and an embedded tracking device that alerts LE when they enter a forbidden zone near schools, parks, sch bus stops, arcades, swimming pools - anywhere children are likely to be. Oh yeah, have it give a progressively stronger shock - the longer they are in the area - Cops just need to find the creep laid on the ground.... I have no sympathy for people who hurt kids or for those who rape or molest anyone...
    This is an awesome post!!!!! The shock level should start higer depending upon the type of crime and age of the victim. Also, this needs to be deeply imbedded and checked via phone on a daily basis.


    Scaredtopost, I have no good advice, but Iwill send up prayers for you and your family, get good alarm systems, take self defense classes and keep your children always in your site, If I could I would move and stay under the radar as much as possible!

    And, once more, why do criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens?

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    I think most people realize by now the government no longer has the public's best interests in mind, that it functions solely for the purpose of its own survival to protect its own interests. In other words, there's a lot of crime going on through government including stealing and trafficking children through Child Protective Services happening all over the country through the unconstitutional Family Court System.

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    One thing you can do for a family member that has been molested is to call your city and county attorney and make sure the paper work to get a letter for any parole hearings and a letter to notify you of their release. Call your local pd and make sure the offender is registered. Print a copy of the offenders pic and info from the web registry and take it to your childs school. Copy several and put it at parks, ballfeilds, childs workplace. I found this helpful as the offender knew that we knew and were not afraid. The more people that know the better off we are.
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    Unbelievable. I am angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FL Convict View Post
    Unbelievable. I am angry.
    I sure do understand you, it angered me the moment I learned of this and you are right it is still UNBELIEVABLE. I dont think we can ever accept this kind of stupidity.

    Yet in the same Country, we have a case where they get NEW information on a case and do not consider it.
    YESTERDAY Georgia executes Troy Davis after his last pleas fails.

    This is why I do not believe in the DP with acceptations of those who are proven to be deranged and harm people/children especially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LCoastMom View Post


    Thank you. You are so right...

    It was a truly eye opening experience. It is amazing how fast a man can go from being 'the go to guy', to being - Who? You learn real fast who your true friends are...



    FamilyWatchDog is an excellent site.

    I wish I or anyone - knew the answer to your question... I keep thinking there must be an answer here, there must be something we can do. If there is I haven't found it.

    One of the things we need is a loud voice so people understand what we are living with. When digging around looking for anything on the Shantina Smiley and Az Carter case in WA - there were a couple RSO's living near by where she was last seen.. I posted the info and was "informed" by another member 1 of the men is not a convicted SO. Well that's odd, why is his name and photo on a list of the state's 2nd & 3rd degree RSO's??? And why was his conviction and release date one and the same? What; when you kidnap your 17 y.o. neighbor for the purpose of forcing yourself on her, time served is good enough??

    When are people going to understand these offenders are hard wired to do what they do? At this time there is no known cure... The numbers of them who look like a grandpa or a preacher is frightening too. (Which undoubtedly many are either or both)

    How about a tattoo in neon orange or green of RSO across their forehead (different colors for different crimes...) and an embedded tracking device that alerts LE when they enter a forbidden zone near schools, parks, sch bus stops, arcades, swimming pools - anywhere children are likely to be. Oh yeah, have it give a progressively stronger shock - the longer they are in the area - Cops just need to find the creep laid on the ground.... I have no sympathy for people who hurt kids or for those who rape or molest anyone...
    Most SOs are not pedophiles, and those that are not pedophiles are not a threat to children, even if they might be a threat to adults. Those residential restrictions serve no purpose other than to harrass in most cases.

    Also, regarding recidivism, there was a major DoJ study carried out in the 90s where they looked at recidivism among SOs compared to criminals in general. SOs had a recidivism rate of around 70% over 3 years, and other criminals a bit less than that (around 65% IIRC, my memory is a bit hazy but the numbers are roughly ballpark accurate). However, the vast majority of those SOs who ended up back in prison were there for other offences, not sex crimes. The probability of re-offending on a sex ofence was at about 2% a year (other criminals had a 1.5% probability per year of recidivism as a sex offence). Basically the conclusion is that the danger you face of a sex offence from ANY criminal is not too different, irrespective of whether they are a SO or not. Criminals are criminals and you should stay away from all of them, especially those who have had violent pasts. If you are talking about doing a psych evaluation, it should be applied to all criminals, not just SOs, since the risk posed by the two populations is fairly similar. If someone is violent, but wasn't convicted as a SO, you are NOT safe from a sexual offence from that person. But, you have no way of keeping track of THEM.

    When it comes to pedophiles the risk posed depends on the offence. How old the victim was, how many, who it was, did it involve an actual victim or was it conceptual crime (porn possession for example). All of those things will affect the probability of re-offence, you can't treat them all the same.

    And it is not about "curing" anything, it is about the probability of re-offending and the risks posed. Just because someone has done something illegal doesn't mean they will do it again, even if they are not "cured". All society requires is that they not re-offend for fear of the consequences, and if they don't, leave them alone.
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    Hmm....I had a look for the DoJ report I read earlier to get the real numbers, and that one seems to have gone (or I just dont remember it very well).

    Anyway, I did find two others based on the same data, one dealing with recidivism among general prisoners released (here), and another one dealing specifically with sex offenders (here).

    So, overall recidivism rates among violent criminals (homicide, rape, assault and robbery, but not including sexual assault for some wierd reason, which makes it hard to figure out the overall figures) after 3 years is 61.7%. About half to 2/3rds of that happens in the first year, depending on how many priors they had (Yikes!). Of those convicted of rape and sexual assault, 46% and 41.5% respectively will be rearrested for something (violent and non-violent) within 3 years.

    Rearrest for rape (sexual assault rearrests weren't given for the general offenders report) over 3 years were 2.5% for rapists and roughly 1.1% for other violent offenders.

    Overall rearrests among those originally convicted of sex crimes for new sex crimes is 5.3% for rapists and 5.5% for sexual assaulters. So, rearrests are roughly half for rape and half for sexual assault by extrapolation for the data in the general prsioners report. Given that, the probability of sexual re-offence by the general violent criminal should be around 2.2-2.5% (thereabouts). Conviction rates were approximately two thirds the arrest rate.

    Of those re-offences, about half were against children. For rapists, the number was 1.4% and sexual assaulters 2.5% over 3 years.

    Among those originally convicted of sex crimes against children, similar numbers for overall sexual re-offences apply (about 5%), but, re-offence against children was 3.3% over the three years. The balance of sexual re-offences took place against adults. So, the probability of a child molester re-offending over a period of 3 years is roughly about 1.1% per year. Probably that will drop off over time beyond the 3 years since those likely to re-offend would probably do it sooner rather than later.

    The probabilty of re-offence against children is about three times higher for those with multiple convictions compared to those with a first offence (which appears to be the majority of the SOs released). In other words there is a fairly small sub-population that we would need to be concerned about, as they are the ones with a high probabilty of re-offence. Basically those who have been arrested multiple times.

    Anyway, if you are interested in these things, read those two reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
    Just want to stick this article in here:

    Constitutionality of 'Jessica's Law' questioned
    Treating sex predators differently from other violent offenders may violate equal protection guarantees, the California Supreme Court says.

    January 29, 2010|By Maura Dolan

    The California Supreme Court ruled 5 to 2 Thursday that a 2006 ballot initiative that permitted the state to lock up sexually violent predators indefinitely may violate constitutional guarantees of equal protection.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan...or29-2010jan29
    Oh, by all means we certainly can't violate these sexual predators rights. Heaven forbid! Geezus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Having worked in the system for many years, I am well aware of how it operates. I can tell you first hand that the mental health system trumps custody regarding the release of prisoners. I worked in a prison that had a mental health center incorportated within the walls of the prison. It is a very hard concept to understand. The prison itself had mental health help available but sometimes they would be sent to the "county mental health" down the hall....very complex indeed.

    I know first hand exactly what Marc is saying. I can tell you that the problem lies in the hands of the professionals in mental health who refuse to take responsibility for incarcerating an inmate longer than he has to be. They used to rely on the system and "felt" they deserved to parole. I recall the day when the mental health team was asked if they would assess the inmate and tell them if they thought he would repeat. They refused to do it and said it was not their responsibility and will not comply.

    I have stories and have paid a heavy price for them.
    Great profile picture! LOL! I say line these lowlifes up and make them walk the plank! ONE CONVICTION WITH CHILDREN AND INTO THE OVENS YOU GO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smart blonde View Post
    This is outrageous.

    Here, I thought the difficult part was finding these predators and putting them in prison to begin with... it turns out it is even harder to keep them incarcerated after they are sentenced. It's just a revolving door. A dangerous revolving door.

    If something is not done to correct this, then what's the point? We may as well abolish any and all laws making it a crime to rape a person, molest a child, etc.
    We may as well just allow sex offenders free reign in whatever they feel compelled to do.

    The Califonia Department of Mental Health is making a mockery of Jessica's Law, a mockery of our justice system, and certainly, a mockery of the safety of all citizens.

    17,000 sex offenders- and how many thousands of future victims? 17,000 multiplied by what?

    What can we do to rectify this problem? What can i do, as a native Californian? As a California tax-payer? As a citizen of the United States? As a mother?

    I'm all ears, and open for suggestions.
    i am not to shocked...as of late california is not the only place this is happening..they letting dangerous people out on one side..putting pot smokers in jail on the other side...see heres the deal..no money is made with dangerous sex offenders...they can replace them with rEal jail birds that must pay money...sad to think but its all about money these days good luck smart blonde

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    I actually have chest pains reading some of the concerning Issues.
    I cannot believe this is happening ....are we a third world country now?

    The Governor is the BIG PROBLEM. You are person who is suppose to set an example & I don't understand how this happened. Arnold has been accused of sexual misconduct etc.His thought is: Woman are to be used ....thats the message I get out of this. Doesn't matter how families & Children have had there innoccense robbed from them ....there spirit squashed there lives become something they never feel comfortable with living.

    I am not surprised. Kick him out on his scumbag azz & revoke his citizenship. He is a preditor himself...look what he did to his family....Maria, I am embarrased for her. She does not want to get the fact that he had to be a republican as her family is dems & than he had sexual allegations from several woman & than the Maid....Seriously that is one narcistic Crazy Lunatic. Maria I think you suffer from abused wife syndrome...are you really that far gone????

    You can not have sympathy for those who are still condoning this behavior. You need reprogramming as you seem like a CULT VICTIM. Shaking Head with chest pains.....Beem Me up Scottie...NOW...

    Please Have room for me in that space craft I will pay my own way & contribute all I can....Help Us someone we are being taken over by MONSTERS

    Throw him out on his ARSE.....JMO

    The problems could be solved by legalizing Marajuana (I don't lick it) because they are allowing medical marajuana......Please this would stop the mexico issue...tax problems & over filled prisons & tax payer burdens......I add this to the Idea Blonde wrote clean her street every 2 weeks add on legalizing marajuana....Stop paying for washingtons hired help & people we elect to stop using prostitues & we pay the bill for wining & Dining there out of wedlock relationships etc....

    LEED BY EXAMPLE ARNOLD !!!!!!!
    Last edited by En Passant; 04-24-2012 at 04:39 PM. Reason: P.S. Do you have room in that space craft for me??? 2012 is here who needs dec 21.....

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    I agree

    ^ Well said, Arnold is a tool.

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    So wrong...so very, very wrong.
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