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  1. #16
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    After I logged out of here earlier today, I decided to do some research on past cases involving abduction of girls/women in So. Cal. by using a van. Do any of you remember these monsters?

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/s..._norris/1.html

    I was also thinking about location. They chose a remote location for their torture and murder and dumped the bodies of these precious girls into a canyon.

    Then I log back in later and hear about Amber...
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    Age: Approximately 13-18 years old (possibly middle- to high-school age
    Clothing: Dark (Individual was possibly wearing a dark-colored backpack.)
    Height: Tall
    Complexion: Dark
    Build: Medium build
    Hmmm Possibly Indian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahoneys07 View Post
    Hmmm Possibly Indian?

    I had the same thought considering Amber's parent's private investigator stated that he had known about the location where they found Amber today, that Texas Equusearch dogs had picked up her scent in that area and that Escondido PD hadn't followed up on it until yesterday (though FBI dogs had found nothing there). Given the location, it could very well be native american and not connected to Chelsea at all. The timing only seems like a coincidence because Escondido PD is being pressured to find her since they did so little to begin with. They sort of have egg on their face after the quick response time to Chelsea in their neighbor city and the results of being on top of your game. Perhaps this is why they finally started following up on tips regarding Amber. This might not be related to JAG at all. We may have a separate killer here.

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    I wonder if LE has now reapproached the people who sighted the male with amber and shown them a picture of JG? Also would be a good idea to get a composite sketch.. (would of thought they would have done that by now but in cya mode hindsight goes out the window I hope and guess!)

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    Wondering if this young man was paid by Gardner to help him find potential victims by trolling the internet. Or it could have been Gardner himself conversing, and this young man was recruited to physically help lure Amber on the day she was abducted. If so, she might have told them that she was going to walk to school that day and purchase the lamb. But then how would they know what she looked like, etc.

    If this young man was paid by Gardner as a lure, they could have just chosen that school location on that day and it was opportunity when Amber walked down the street.

    I have a tendency to think that there is a young accomplice who knew the location where Amber's body was and is the one who led LE there.

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    I don't know the area that Amber disappeared from but are there are a lot of illegal immigrants in that area? Could the boy she was walking with be here illegally & that is why he never came forward?

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    I'm really going to ask something far-fetched:

    Thinking about Amber's love of animals again. It has been said in many articles that she loved wolves. Her screen name includes the word wolves or wolf. It has also been said that she started talking to boys online a few weeks prior to her disappearance. A logical point of conversation for a predator to use would be to ask her why she has her screen name, etc.
    Taking it even further down this path. Her body was found near an Indian Reservation. Some Native American tribes consider the wolf as a spirit guide or sacred animal. Could this person have lured her to the Reservation area by wanting to show her wolves?

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    does everyone remember the girl who looked like amber who had a white van try to abduct her? Is it possible the eyewitnesses saw this girl instead of amber if they looked so much alike?

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    There is no solid proof that it was Amber who was supposedly seen by the witness speaking to the guy. I mean it is just a perception or opinion, right?

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    I've been wondering about whether or not the eye witnesses actually saw Amber. Wasn't it raining? If so, she might have had the hood up on her hoodie. How many kids walked to school wearing a black hoodie that morning? If the hood is up then it would be hard for people driving by to see her face. Did they just assume it was Amber because of what she was wearing or did she wave at them?

    I don't want anyone to think I am coming down hard on the witnesses. I am just putting myself if their shoes. If I was driving my attention would be mostly on the road...especially if it is raining. I would probably remember the clothing someone was wearing but I don't think I would be looking closely enough to see who it was unless they were waving & trying to get my attention. IDK...maybe it's just me. Of course if she DIDN'T have her hood up then I can see where they might have been a little more sure that it was actually Amber.

    So, what if the teen boy didn't come forward because he wasn't with Amber? Maybe he didn't realize he was the person who police were looking to talk to. Just a thought...


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    One of the witnesses said they were going to stop and pick her up and take her the last of the way to school but then when they got closer realized Amber was walking with a boy and decided to leave her be. Now I can't find that statement, it's out there though, will keep looking.

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    I've lived in North San Diego County for the last 20 years or so. I am totally familiar with the areas where Amber and Chelsea lived and went missing. We were just at the Pala Casino for brunch last week. Weird and unsettling to realize now that Amber was so close. San Diego in general, but especially Escondido, is heavily Hispanic. Personally, I don't put too much into people seeing her talking to someone with that description. If you walked down any Escondido street, it would describe most of the guys you'd see. I have a feeling it was just something casual. It could be a classmate. If it was, maybe they've been afraid of getting in trouble so they kept quiet. I truly think Gardner lured her into a car/van. From what I've heard about the dogs the family used, it sounds like she was alive till she reached the Pala area. So incredibly sad. I've seen her posters up everywhere for the past year. Hurt my heart every time. As horrible as it was not knowing where she could be, this news is worse. Poor, poor kid. I feel for her whole family. And Chelsea King's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarx View Post
    One of the witnesses said they were going to stop and pick her up and take her the last of the way to school but then when they got closer realized Amber was walking with a boy and decided to leave her be. Now I can't find that statement, it's out there though, will keep looking.
    Here it is.

    Feb 12, 2010
    ESCONDIDO: Where is Amber Dubois?
    A year later, police remain mystified by Escondido teen's disappearance

    [snipped]
    The last time anyone saw Amber that Friday morning was about 7:09 a.m., police say.

    She was walking south on North Broadway near Escondido High School's athletic field. Had she walked another 200 yards, past the school's football stadium, Amber may have come within view of a security camera mounted on top of the gym.

    "Every morning, she meets her friends, believe it or not, right under the video camera," Benton said.

    A neighbor who had dropped his son off at school said he noticed Amber walking on the sidewalk as he drove north on Broadway. Another neighbor who was heading south on the same road to drop off her son said she nearly stopped to give Amber a ride because it was drizzling that morning.

    She told police she did not stop because she believed Amber was walking with a boy, Benton said. Both neighbors were seen on the school's security camera video dropping their kids off within minutes of each other, between 7:08 a.m. and 7:10 a.m.

    The young man is described as tall and dark-skinned, about high school age. No one has come forward to identify him or even to verify he was walking with Amber and wasn't just someone walking past her.

    Police said he may have been the last person to see her.

    "To this day, we have yet to identify who this boy is," Benton said. "But we believe he holds the key to what happened to her."

    [snipped]

    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/es...tml?mode=story

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    This is from the other parent/witness who said they saw her almost every day walking to school, and the day she went missing.

    March 3, 2009
    Witnesses Spotted Missing Teen Near Farmyard Driveway

    There's new information in the case of missing Escondido teenager Amber Dubois. Two parents who saw Amber walking to school on the day she disappeared tell the News 8 CrimeFighters she was last seen near the entrance to the school's farmyard.

    David Wahlquist drives along North Broadway almost every morning to drop off his son and daughter at Escondido High School. It's the same route 14-year-old Amber Dubois used.

    "I see her almost every day walking to school, so I recognize her by sight," Wahlquist said.

    On Feb. 13, David remembers seeing Amber walking two blocks from the school around 7:10 a.m. - a full 20 minutes before the first bell.

    "In fact, I remember thinking oh, she's a little bit early," he said.

    The total distance of the route Amber takes from her home to the location of the school is less than a mile, north on Paradise Street, West on Vista Avenue and finally South on Broadway walking toward the school. It was here where two parents in different cars reported seeing Amber walking on the west side of the street.

    "She was kind of jogging when I saw her and I thought she just looked like she was in a hurry," Wahlquist said.
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    http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9939230

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    "She was kind of jogging when I saw her and I thought she just looked like she was in a hurry," Wahlquist said.
    Or...dodging a car that was following/lurking/stalking her?

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