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  1. #31
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    That is the first I have heard of her jogging! I can't believe I missed that somehow.

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    Could she have possibly went into the farmyard to see her lamb?
    Theres also no mention of anyone matching the description of this mystery boy entering the school.

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    It says there are cameras looking over the farm area although they are grainy. BTW, read the comment by "Guest" ( on March 04, 2009, 12:46:15 AM) on that article. It's appalling that they didn't treat Amber's disappearance more seriously.
    Last edited by Robyn623; 03-09-2010 at 10:52 PM. Reason: didn't realize there was more than 1 "guest"

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    Quote Originally Posted by semisweet View Post
    I've lived in North San Diego County for the last 20 years or so. I am totally familiar with the areas where Amber and Chelsea lived and went missing. We were just at the Pala Casino for brunch last week. Weird and unsettling to realize now that Amber was so close. San Diego in general, but especially Escondido, is heavily Hispanic. Personally, I don't put too much into people seeing her talking to someone with that description. If you walked down any Escondido street, it would describe most of the guys you'd see. I have a feeling it was just something casual. It could be a classmate. If it was, maybe they've been afraid of getting in trouble so they kept quiet. I truly think Gardner lured her into a car/van. From what I've heard about the dogs the family used, it sounds like she was alive till she reached the Pala area. So incredibly sad. I've seen her posters up everywhere for the past year. Hurt my heart every time. As horrible as it was not knowing where she could be, this news is worse. Poor, poor kid. I feel for her whole family. And Chelsea King's.
    We don't yet have any idea whether this guy is implicated or not. We are asking questions. He could be an innocent, a co-conspirator, or totally used by the perp. We just don't know. I am not drawing any conclusions prematurely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond Belief View Post
    Could she have possibly went into the farmyard to see her lamb?
    Theres also no mention of anyone matching the description of this mystery boy entering the school.
    First bell was at 7:30 and she was last seen about 7:09, perhaps a little earlier than usual (according to the one parent). The article above said that every morning she would meet her friends near the gym. I believe she had small valentine's gifts for them that day.

    • Was she going to go see her lamb in the farmyard?
    • Was she going to the administration office to provide the check for the lamb?
    • Was she going to meet her friends near the gym and give them valentine's?

    I don't believe specifics were ever determined.

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    For additional reference:

    [snipped from March 10, 2009 search warrant; parent names changed to parent 1 and parent 2:]

    On Friday 02-13-09 a fourteen (14) year old female named Amber Dubois left her residence located at [address] in Escondido to walk to school.

    At approx. 0708 hours, [parent 1] dropped his children off at Escondido High School and drove northbound on Escondido Blvd. [Parent 1] saw Amber Dubois walking on the western sidewalk of Broadway quickly walking southbound.

    At approximately 0710 hours, [parent 2] was driving her children to Escondido High School southbound on Broadway Ave when she saw Amber Dubois walking southbound on the west curb of Broadway with a male. [Parent 2] described the male as a dark complected young male who was tall and slender. [Parent 2] did not recognize the male. Both [Parent 2] and [Parent 1] placed her approx. 200 yards north of Escondido High School, located at 1535 N Broadway Ave in Escondido.

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    http://www.nctimes.com/pdf_dff34eca-...cc4c002e0.html

    The video is from the Escondido High School surveillance system of the school bus maintenance yard at approximately 7:10 a.m. on February 13. A red pick up truck is seen entering the school maintenance parking lot, parking for approximately 3 minutes and exiting out of the same driveway back to Broadway Street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudajo View Post
    For additional reference:

    [snipped from March 10, 2009 search warrant; parent names changed to parent 1 and parent 2:]

    On Friday 02-13-09 a fourteen (14) year old female named Amber Dubois left her residence located at [address] in Escondido to walk to school.

    At approx. 0708 hours, [parent 1] dropped his children off at Escondido High School and drove northbound on Escondido Blvd. [Parent 1] saw Amber Dubois walking on the western sidewalk of Broadway quickly walking southbound.

    At approximately 0710 hours, [parent 2] was driving her children to Escondido High School southbound on Broadway Ave when she saw Amber Dubois walking southbound on the west curb of Broadway with a male. [Parent 2] described the male as a dark complected young male who was tall and slender. [Parent 2] did not recognize the male. Both [Parent 2] and [Parent 1] placed her approx. 200 yards north of Escondido High School, located at 1535 N Broadway Ave in Escondido.

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    http://www.nctimes.com/pdf_dff34eca-...cc4c002e0.html

    The video is from the Escondido High School surveillance system of the school bus maintenance yard at approximately 7:10 a.m. on February 13. A red pick up truck is seen entering the school maintenance parking lot, parking for approximately 3 minutes and exiting out of the same driveway back to Broadway Street.

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    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loca...is-School.html

    That truck has always bothered me. I know LE says they found the owner and the truck had nothing to do with Amber's abduction but I still look at the video and wonder.

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    Just a thought: Gardner wanted teenage victims. He was older now and that precluded him from attracting such a young woman into his trap. He was only 20 when he got the 13 yr. old to go to the apt. to ostensibly watch a movie with her, right? It wouldn't work now. He needed a young guy to get him the victim.
    Last edited by concentric; 03-09-2010 at 11:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
    Just a thought: Gardner wanted teenage victims. He was older now and that precluded him from attracting such a young woman into his trap. He was only 20 when he got the 13 yr. old to go to the apt. to ostensibly watch a movie with her, right? It wouldn't work now. He needed a young guy to get him the victim.
    It's not of what he is accused of doing with Chelsea King. It does not appear to be his MO to use an accomplice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
    Just a thought: Gardner wanted teenage victims. He was older now and that precluded him from attracting such a young woman into his trap. He was only 20 when he got the 13 yr. old to go to the apt. to ostensibly watch a movie with her, right? It wouldn't work now. He needed a young guy to get him the victim.
    Yes, this is why I think it was a teenage native boy. If JAG knew a boy from going to the casino, it wouldn't be uncommon for a native kid from a reservation to stay up all night hanging out with JAG and/or crash at his house. It's not a big deal on many reservations for the kids to skip/come late to school. A boy could have helped lure Amber in the morning while JAG was driving him back to the reservation. JAG might have demanded that the boy help hide Amber's body and then threatened him never to tell anyone. This could also explain why neither of the witnesses could identify the boy from Amber's high school (because he didn't attend there).


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    This is a dumb question probably but what side of the street was Amber seen walking on; I mean would it have been opposing on coming car traffic or going with the flow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    This is a dumb question probably but what side of the street was Amber seen walking on; I mean would it have been opposing on coming car traffic or going with the flow?
    Not a dumb question. She was seen by 2 witnesses walking southbound on the west side of N Broadway. So she would have been walking in the same direction as vehicle traffic (with the flow).

    Parent 1 was driving north when he saw her and parent 2 was driving south (coming from behind Amber) when she saw her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudajo View Post
    Not a dumb question. She was seen by 2 witnesses walking southbound on the west side of N Broadway. So she would have been walking in the same direction as vehicle traffic (with the flow).

    Parent 1 was driving north when he saw her and parent 2 was driving south (coming from behind Amber) when she saw her.

    See attachments for visual that might help.
    Cloudajo, I was just want to say thank you for all the research and information you've provided on Amber's case. I've learned a lot from reading all your posts!!

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    This still bothers me - with all the people coming to school that morning, how could no one have noticed anything unusual? Now that JAG has pleaded guilty to Amber's murder, we know that he abducted her that morning but how did this happen with no one noticing? Maybe there will be more details once that gag order is lifted but it seems pretty risky to abduct someone on the way to school with so many others around walking, driving, to school. Was it really JAG that people saw walking along with Amber that day?

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    We know that JAG plead to it, IMO, we don't that he actually did it. The DA was very thankful he did because they said they didn't have anything on him to make a case. There was no DNA, no anything else but JAG's word. It helped JAG get what he wanted out of this situation, I may be alone but I don't think I would feel safe, I really believe that the person who took Amber and killed her is still out there.

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