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    FL - David Hart arrested on child sex abuse charges, Jacksonville, 2010

    Jacksonville A+ Just 4 Kids Academy Owner Arrested on Molestation Charges
    Taren Reed Courtney Gaver Gary Detman
    Created: 3/5/2010 9:18:33 PM Updated: 3/7/2010 11:15:25 AM


    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office has arrested a local day care owner and charged him with molestation, sexual battery and assault.

    David James Hart, 44, was arrested early Friday morning and charged with lewd and lascivious molestation on a victim 12-16 years old, sexual battery on a victim younger than 12, and assault.

    According to the Duval County Property Appraiser and the Department of Children and Families websites, Hart and his wife are the owners of A+ Just 4 Kids Academy on Crown Point Road in Mandarin.

    "My heart dropped you get initial gut reaction that you just want to vomit, because this man has touched my children," said Jennifer Davis.

    Davis has two children, an 11-month-old and a 4-year-old, who both go to A+ Just 4 Kids Academy. She said her 4-year-old son called Hart, Mr. David.

    "The kids loved him," she said.

    She said Hart seemed to love the kids and knew all the parents by name. She's been taking her oldest son to Hart's daycare for three years.

    "I'm shaking. You can't help but think oh my goodness my children," said Davis.

    Prior to 2009, Hart owned two day care centers in Mandarin.


    more here

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...152853&catid=3

    I looked up the FL statute on 'sexual battery' - it sounds like rape to me...this article doesn't really call that out....I feel so bad for the victims -- especially because in the article comments, people are already starting the "they're lieing" stuff because Hart is the nicest guy....nobody wants to believe a nice guy running a daycare could ever rape a child.

    When will people wake up to the fact that it's not just the boogey-man that sneaks in a window at nite, or snatches a kid off the street that rapes & molests children?

    Prayers for the children that someone listens & keeps them safe.
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    Here we go again. Those poor kids and families. So, if the child care center just took little kids, is the one charge for a relative? And what is it about cutesy names for child care centers and pediatricians offices? That's just creepy.

    I just looked and there's already 9 pages of comments. This is going to get nasty, I'm afraid.

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    I highly suggest that everyone take a look at the comments following this article. It's almost like a textbook case of what happens when a pedophile is caught. Polarization, rationalization, self-righteousness, finger-pointing, you name it and it's all there.

    My hope and prayer is that some of these families might find WS and realize pretty quickly how supportive of victims we are. It sounds like this case could grow. As much as I die a little inside every single time this a case like this breaks open, I know that the fall-out will open some eyes.

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    Oh, yes, this looks like it will get ugly.

    Sadly, most of what is being said is typical for cases like this, where it seems that everyone knew the accused. I'm not all that predatory, as a person, so I don't know how to think like a predator, but I wonder if they consider their location when they choose where to settle. Does this type of sicko actually take into account and plan for the occasion where they may by exposed by a victim? Are they setting up the community? I feel they are, in esssence, they groom the community, which brings them the children, and reduces the suspicious grooming activities that parents have been told to watch for (gifts, attention, praise, outings...).
    So many of these guys are said to be the nicest guy, always there for the parents, remembered them by name...no one is calling it what it is. This is the systematic gromming of adults by sexual predators that intend to use the children of those adults for sexual purposes.
    Many people seem afraid to say this, but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not_my_kids View Post
    Oh, yes, this looks like it will get ugly.

    Sadly, most of what is being said is typical for cases like this, where it seems that everyone knew the accused. I'm not all that predatory, as a person, so I don't know how to think like a predator, but I wonder if they consider their location when they choose where to settle. Does this type of sicko actually take into account and plan for the occasion where they may by exposed by a victim? Are they setting up the community? I feel they are, in esssence, they groom the community, which brings them the children, and reduces the suspicious grooming activities that parents have been told to watch for (gifts, attention, praise, outings...).
    So many of these guys are said to be the nicest guy, always there for the parents, remembered them by name...no one is calling it what it is. This is the systematic gromming of adults by sexual predators that intend to use the children of those adults for sexual purposes.
    Many people seem afraid to say this, but it is what it is.
    The article doesn't make it clear, but some of the comments indicate (FWIW) that Daycare Daddy wasn't arrested because of abusing one of the children at the daycare - but his own....even so, ITA - if he wasn't grooming the community for access to their kids, these pervs do it to get away w/ their 'psychological' disorder.

    I can only guess these charges are rocking the worlds of many parents - left to wonder & worry.
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    I'm starting to think that many (surely not all) predatory pedophiles play up the eccentricity factor. It's almost as if it's a smoke screen to hide behind. People focus on the weirdness and miss what going on under the table.

    "Oh, you know Joe, he's a real hugger. He hugs everybody."

    "Yeah, I've always thought it was odd that Mark collects Barbies--you know his Mom left most of them to him--but the girls sure seem to have fun over there."

    "Bob, so generous with his time with those kids. He's got the patience of Job with them. I'm just glad that they're off the street and watching movies over at his house."

    "Oh, that Dr. Bradley and his merry-go-round. You never know what to expect next with that crazy guy. He sure gives out nice treats, though."

    "Sometimes, my kids cry when they dropped off at day care, but Uncle Dan always fires up the balloon machine and that keeps them happy."


    If we could only hear ourselves.

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    remember that case from wisconsin were the guy has now been arrested for raping children 2 twice, arrested for being with teenage girls when he wasnt supposed to, and the comment board on that site STILL has people defending him. 'he's the greatest guy in the world, he'll help anyone out. blah blah blah pedophiles sickos, i guess there really good con men huh?

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    I'll never forget how great the Mohler brothers were. Helpful decent church-going fellas.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/11/2...er-public.html

    "I’ve known those boys since they were born,” said Gamble, of Independence. “They’ve all been responsible citizens. They’ve all had respectable jobs. They’ve been active in church. I’ve never known any of them to smoke or to drink or to carouse around or gamble — any of the vices that you could think of.

    [ETA, I can think of a couple of other vices]

    and

    "I just cannot wrap my head around it,” said Erin Hill, who went to school with David and Roland’s children — who are not mentioned in any of the court documents. Hill considers herself a good friend of the senior Mohler, who used to drive her to the Bates City church and who once came to her house to pray for her after she accidentally super-glued shut an eye. “Those three men I know personally are probably the nicest men alive,” she said. “If you can’t trust them, then you can’t trust anybody.”

    [ETA, Well there you go, her eyes are super-glued shut]

    and

    "Gamble told of how he might have been with Mohler at month’s end. “Usually we get together at Thanksgiving, so we see each other then.”

    [ETA, and how many guys touch little kids at the Thanksgiving table?]

    and

    "A retired Graceland professor, Ramsey knows the Mohler patriarch and several of his sons and grandchildren. His wife played piano at two Mohler weddings. Count them among the ones who don’t believe the charges. David Mohler recently offered to help them clean out their garage. “We’re not as young as we used to be,” Jerie Gail Ramsey said. “He said, ‘When you’re ready to do it, give me a call.’ He’s that kind of a person.

    [ETA, What kind of person? A good garage cleaner?]

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    Man In Court On Child Molestation Charge
    Police Say Day Care Owner Fondled Child; 2 Others Make Allegations

    POSTED: Thursday, March 25, 2010
    UPDATED: 9:19 pm EDT March 25,2010

    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- A Mandarin day care owner charged with molesting a child was arraigned in court Thursday.

    Police arrested 44-year-old David Hart earlier this month after they said he fondled a child at a sleepover. He was charged with lewd and lascivious molestation of a child under 12, sexual battery of a child under 12 and aggravated assault.

    Investigators said two other children also made allegations against Hart.

    His bond was set at $400,006. A judge ordered that he have no contact with the victims, and he can't live with children until the case is decided.
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    The father of one of the accusers also testified Thursday.

    "My son is in fear. My son will not sleep at night," he said. "He can't go to school. He literally wakes up in the middle of the night now."

    "A month ago I would have been on that side of the courtroom," the father said, signaling to Hart's supporters. "I would have said Mr. Hart was a great person. I would have said he would have never done this, and my son would have been over there, too. That was a month ago."


    more here

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/22953295/detail.html


    ETA: found something else I hadn't read before

    Hart was arrested March 3 after the victims told police they feared for their lives. According to an arrest report, the victims said they ran out of the house to hide from Hart when he came outside with a gun, looking for them.

    The victims each described incidents of sexual activity with Hart.


    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...153849&catid=3
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    think it's kinda sad that the dad felt he had to adress the guys 'sparkling' reputation


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    My head just exploded.

    Of course they're great guys. You left your kid with him. I mean what are ya gonna say? I thought the guy was a freak, but I figured it was just me and didn't trust my gut.

    That would so be blaming the victim I know, BUT come on. I'm gonna put my stuff out here right now. I'm the victim of a sexual assault. I was a child. Yes, it was only once and yes I lived. If I had a dime for every person who found out who said "Oh well at least it was just once, and hey he could have drowned you in that lake" I'd be a freakin millionaire.

    Anyway, I was a full blown over 30 year old when this all came out and yes the guy and his son and their son/grandson have all had allegations toward them of child sexual assault. Anyway, my dad was a police officer. My mom was overprotective. STILL I was permited to go with my mom's friend. Yes, she is a wonderful woman and no I am certain she had no intentions it would happen to me.

    This leads me to say my mom of course said "I trusted her. How would I have ever known? They were our good friends". Well, hello you were present when he grabbed us and tickled us. You were present when he took a clog off my foot and playfully slapped my azz with it. Hello he was a riproaring drunk. I do not blame my parents, but come on.

    People don't want to see ugly. They don't want to see evil. They wanna see Daddy Day Care as Mr. Wonderful. Maybe it's denial? Maybe it's guilt?

    This all makes my skin crawl.

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    to be fair philly i think the dad was saying he was a fool for trusting in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbl8201 View Post
    to be fair philly i think the dad was saying he was a fool for trusting in him.
    No I got the dad. I meant it toward the nimrods coming out of the woodwork who will defend the dude.

    Definately not blaming the dad. Or any parent for that matter. Just all the ones who will go to bat for the nutter.

    If therapy taught me anything the sole person to be blamed is the offender.

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    and im sorry for what happened to you philly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    My head just exploded.

    Of course they're great guys. You left your kid with him. I mean what are ya gonna say? I thought the guy was a freak, but I figured it was just me and didn't trust my gut.

    That would so be blaming the victim I know, BUT come on. I'm gonna put my stuff out here right now. I'm the victim of a sexual assault. I was a child. Yes, it was only once and yes I lived. If I had a dime for every person who found out who said "Oh well at least it was just once, and hey he could have drowned you in that lake" I'd be a freakin millionaire.

    Anyway, I was a full blown over 30 year old when this all came out and yes the guy and his son and their son/grandson have all had allegations toward them of child sexual assault. Anyway, my dad was a police officer. My mom was overprotective. STILL I was permited to go with my mom's friend. Yes, she is a wonderful woman and no I am certain she had no intentions it would happen to me.

    This leads me to say my mom of course said "I trusted her. How would I have ever known? They were our good friends". Well, hello you were present when he grabbed us and tickled us. You were present when he took a clog off my foot and playfully slapped my azz with it. Hello he was a riproaring drunk. I do not blame my parents, but come on.

    People don't want to see ugly. They don't want to see evil. They wanna see Daddy Day Care as Mr. Wonderful. Maybe it's denial? Maybe it's guilt?

    This all makes my skin crawl.

    (((hugs))) Filly...I'm sorry that anybody tried minimize what happened to you....and I understand about always wondering why adults couldn't "see" something hinky or just outright wrong about a perv.
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