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    CA - Fontana, BlkFem UP6429, 20-30, in field, white tutu, Aug'88

    Roaming around and bumped into this- thumbs up? or thumbs down?

    Donna Marie Cudrup:
    LKA: Fall 1986 in Washington DC, 24, 5'6", 135-142lbs, scar on forehead and mole on upper lip, last known having a tube removed for having fluid in her lungs, may have run off with someone named Jerome.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1065dfdc.html

    UID Female:
    EDD:8/15/88, Found in Fontana CA in an open field, 20-30, 5'7", 142lbs, multiple scars listed, 2 on forehead, one on right hip and others on her arms, listed as wearing a white tutu

    https://identifyus.org/cases/6429

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    Adding the side by side.
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    It looks pretty close, so I tried a new trick I learned on Corel Photo Paint. I drew a red line along Donna's facial features. I could not go below the upper lip because the UID's mouth is slightly open. I modified the color of the UID image for clarity, and then I copied the red line and overlaid it over the UID's image, lining up the cheekbones and nose.



    As you can see, they are pretty close, but Jane Doe has a wider nose and wider lips, and wider eyes.
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    I do the same thing but the low tech way- with a piece of tracing paper and a pencil. I thought the lips and nose were wider too, but I think the UID looks pretty swollen in the lip area especially.
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    Swelling might account for the mouth difference, and eyebrows sometimes raise up postmortem, but that doesn't account for the wider nose or the eye spacing. Only in cases where there is severe bloating would one's nose widen that much

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    Ears

    Okay so I am new and don't really know what I'm doing but I just wanted to say the ears don't match at all. UID ears are more rounded
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    The lips could definitely be swollen due to trauma, and the nose may even appear a bit wider due to the re-stitching of the face post-autopsy. Try this at home: look in a mirror and put your fingers on your cheeks over the cheekbones, and then gently pull outward. You can definitely see a little change in the width of nostrils and the bridge of the nose.

    That being said, the ears still don't look right, as far as the outer shape and lobe. Another "but" here; depending on the tightness of the stitching of the scalp, it could possibly change how close the ears appear to the head, maybe some of the curve of the ear. I can see if I can ask one of my friends at the M.E. what her experiences have been.

    Looks pretty close though.

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    UID looks older than Donna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malaika View Post
    UID looks older than Donna.
    I agree -- she looks at least ten years older.

    Her whole face just looks...I dunno, fleshier? to me -- very close, but different.

    Not enough to make a ruleout, however.
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    I never did anything with this case. I didn't think there was enough for me to submit it.
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    Ruleouts as of June 21, 2014

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    The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
    First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA

    Jennifer Barton 1955 Texas
    Sandra Steppuhn 1950 California
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    The "tutu" is described like this in the Namus circumstances: Wearing a white tutu or "evening dress." Under the clothing description, it says, White tutu, ballet, evening dress, white satin undershirt on dress

    I think they mean a dress something like this one, which was a hot style in 1988. My daughter was a high school senior that year so I learned a bit about fashion, which is not otherwise my strong suit Click the attachment to enlarge. The skirt could have been anything from mid-thigh to ankle length.
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    for image revision.

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    When they say "tutu", could they really mean this style of dress, which was VERY popular in the 80s up to about the mid 90s?

    http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/we.../1000x1000.jpg

    If so, that ruffle around the waist is called a peplum, although I can see why someone might compare the ruffle to a tutu.

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    That could be. The description of the undershirt on the dress makes me think of the other style, but it could mean a dress like the one you found.

    I guess it could also be a regular ballet costume, too.
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