Can you post a summary of your sisters case? I know much is in thread 1, but perhaps a summary of the facts could be posted here for new readers to the case.
I guess since I'm almost 61 yrs. old I should be way past that stage of my life! Thanks for the information.
blown away by the way they do or don't find out about cases now. If someone says something....to the deputies...it's just hearsay....well hearsay does sometimes come out to be of importance....but you do have to go out and talk to the people.....not just sit in the office and wait for the individuals to come in .....
I'm not trying to be rude or hateful or anything else. I just don't understand why they can't go out in the public and just ask questions. What has happened to just talking to the public in general....I have found if you mention something about this case to individuals they usually say something....might not be important...but it might be.
Again...thanks for the continued support and the research you have done Justhinkin...and to everyone else that has helped with this case.
Mattie Catherine Restine and Patty Sue Pritz deserve JUSTICE.
Sunshine, you're very welcome. It sounds like ECSO is giving you the runaround again.
First off, if no one from the FBI has even inquired about the case from ECSO, then what would be ECSO's purpose in calling them to inquire how they're coming along on the case?
I really doubt they even submitted it. Better to call ECSO and ask them if they've run the ViCAP software to see if there were any other similar murders.
I know of one from what I was able to read of it, the little girl in Hondo, TX.
You really need someone at the state level on your side. Don't they have a cold case investigations unit? Here's one for the DPS.
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Sunshine 1950,I hope your forthcoming birthday is a happy one and that your wish for the truth, finally comes true!
He also told me he felt like the people were telling me one thing and saying something different to them....which I don't understand. I asked him about the people that came in to talk with them about the case. He says...no ones been in to talk about the case. I told him about several individuals that told me what they said and what the deputy said...like everything is just hearsay...nothing to go on...and that they can't just make people talk...well how in the world do they start investigating a case without talking...it's alll hearsay when it first comes out. Hearsay can lead to the other stuff.
Anyway....I'm working on writing up some articles to hopefully get published in the newspapers....this needs to go public again....big time.....in NEw Mexico. Just hope I can get it done.
Thanks for the help .....I don't know what I'd do without you people here on websleuths.
This is a new show (at least to me) that features all sorts of cases, perhaps they would consider Mattie and Pattie's case? Lots of info on this site too.
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I wouldn't make it without all the help and of course all the prayers that have been given to the Lord for this case to be solved.
Thanks for the help dotr....
Please keep working on this unsolved case...Mattie and Patty deserve to have Justice.....
Nancy Grace show has been airing some cold cases....
Has a book/magazine ever been written about this case?Bet a nice cover with a picture of Mattie and Pattie on it, might garner some attention and provoke guilty feelings in those with some answers, but who have not been putting up their hand!
I have been writing a book about this case for over eight years now...just haven't finished it yet...almost though. I don't think anyone has any guilt feelings or a conscience that is involved in this murder....they are from the devil...and I mean that with all my heart. Sorry ...but that is how I feel....In 2002...this case was re-opened and nothing has been done about it so far...even though the Eddy County Sheriff's Department could do more...but they choose to do nothing. You would think they would want to solve this case....sure would make them look great in the eyes of the citizens of Eddy County. They say the VICAP Group is working on this case...but every time I ask about the case...they tell me they haven't heard anything...they will ask and get back with me....I'm still waiting on an answer on that question.
I think you might be right about the guilt part - we expect people to feel as we imagine we ourselves would feel, b ut they do not, because they are sleazeballs! What else can one say about the kind of person who would do that, especially to little girls...Same for anyone who knows the truth about what happened ( and I am sure there are a few) and says nothing all these years.
Hope you can hurry and finish and publish your book, just to make them nervous( if they will not feel guilty) and hopefully the attention garnered will provide the answers for the book's sequel!
Thank you for the comments and support. I appreciate all the help I can get.
I was immersed in this case the other night, trying to make sense of all the potential twists and turns and apparent code of secrecy in the town, which reminded me of a recent movie entitled, Winter's Bone.
Lots of info to this case, but I was not completely clear about whether or not both girls were raped or sexually assaulted and if a good sample of a perp/s DNA was recovered from both girls.Were they found with the clothing they originally wore and if so ,in what condition was it found.
Bothering me is the fact that they were shot,as my understanding is that peds.tend to strangle a victim,shooting seems too remote and passionless.Were they shot at close range ,or could it be that the girls either ran for it, or did the person in a twisted sense of fairness give them a headstart and then "hunted" them down.
It dawned on me that perhaps the town had a known pedophile ring and that is why they seem to be circling the wagons.Perhaps in a support group for victims of sex abuse, one might find someone who knows something, even though it was a long time ago...incest survivors,often hail from families where the behavior repeats itself. Obviously, I am no expert in any of these matters, but just throwing it out there .
May I ask a bit about the other girls family...
Typed this quickly, thinking aloud, please forgive any errors, or anything inappropriate.
DNA testing was done on Mattie's clothes...which did have some semen on them...but again the reports are vague...and again....things have been said that makes me think they aren't telling me the truth about the test results. I have personally tried to get the tests results from the lab that did the tests...but they will not release them to me.
Patty had an older sister...but she has died since this case was re-opened in 2003. She has several half sisters...and a brother. Patty's family has supported this investigation...especially one of her step sisters.
Hope I've answered some of your questions. Thanks for asking and posting your thoughts.
Close range?B******! Sorry, I just had to express that.So how can this person/s keep going on with their life and not be consumed with guilt and self-disgust and the need to unburden themselves to a confidante?Although there seems to have been several potential suspects,has there ever been the suspicion, that there was someone (like a serial killer) or a besotted or even jealous female classmate, who went completely under the radar for this?
Someone too drunk to be certain whether or not they participated and therefore not eaten by guilt?
One would hope that the whole of Carlsbad would rise up and demand the DNA results, besides with rapidly advancing technology,who knows what else can be gleaned from the evidence!
I haven't ever been told anything about a female friend that might have killed the girls...but there were some others who thought maybe a female family member may have killed the girls...but I just can't see that myself. And I'm pretty sure they checked that out pretty good. But again who knows.
The person that was identified in the 2003 re-opened investigation is the person I believe that killed Mattie and Patty. But I don't think he did it alone.
Somehow, I also think this was done by more than one person ...although that would mean two or more people keeping quiet. Let's just say, if someone had a spouse involved, it might be easier to keep the secret until, there is a breakup or the spouse becomes afraid for themselves.Maybe time is an ally it some cases...
Oh... I think the ex-wife has already told the correct story. But to deaf ears now. I do believe this lady knew what she was talking about.
And I do hope someone finds out the truth in that family and does the right thing by Mattie and Patty. That is what I pray for everyday.
If the perp was intent on terrorizing Patty, a big part of that might include killing Mattie in front of her.