I would not be surprised if more unhappy information comes out. People who have had kids taken away, allowed kids to be placed in danger, and so forth rarely just have one or two instances. The kids are often in danger again and again and again, until tragedy happens like it has.
Odds are SS is dead. I am sorry for her rotten life, but why give Azriel such a rotten life? By the way, the minute I heard his name I was perturbed. That is a very famous name, in literature, a lot of fantasy literature -- it's the name of the ANGEL OF DEATH. It seems to me to just be taking him so lightly to have named him that. Seems he didn't really COUNT, didn't really MATTER his whole short life. Oh yes, I'm angry.
To those who keep wondering about shouting, screaming in the water, I'm not really sure how many screams a person could get out in that extremely cold water if they were knocked off their feet and with the clothes soaked and pulling you down. The water is so cold it takes your breath away.
Smiley was last seen alive at 10 pm. Rob was with the stepfather from 8pm on. Therefore she was last seen alive after Rob has an alibi. He may be used to talking about himself, but unless he can be in two places at once, he's not directly involved.
Also, the Ariel's dad said on the D&R (?) radio show that he thought he seemed like a good guy and loved Smiley and Ariel and that he (Carver) didn't have any suspicions about him, based on talking to him.
So I think more likely booze is to blame in this mystery.
Amy’s entry to Casey on Facebook:"Amy Huizenga (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 8:18am on May 26th, 2008
You lost my duct tape! I was excited to have so much left! Thats why I get for giving you my purse… Stupid costume that didn’t work the way it should have…. what a waste of gaff tape…"
Did police ever ask Amy what brand of duct tape???
The only thing the bf is guilty of is poor judgement. He will live with this tragedy for the rest of his life. Alcohol and the choices Shantina made that night, have resulted in this sad ending. He has lost his future step-son and more than likely his future wife.
This is interesting - great link for a better view of the property from all directions.
The North view provides additional insight on how high the tides could go. You can click on the photo and drag it to see additional parts of the property.
If you click on the North photo and drag it towards the lower left corner is - you can see the end of the beach.
I thought the beach was continuous, but it actually ends.
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Boy's body: 'Dynamic' tides carry objects for miles in hours
MIKE ARCHBOLD; Staff writer
The tidal currents of South Puget Sound make it easier to understand how the body of a missing boy showed up on a Fox Island beach 20 miles north of Dana Passage in the Olympia area.
Azriel Carver, 8, was last seen alive Saturday night with his mother, Shantina Smiley, north of Olympia. Her van was found on the beach near Boston Harbor off Dana Passage. She is still missing.
The outgoing current heads north out of Dana Passage and circulates around Anderson and McNeil islands before heading for the Tacoma Narrows, said Debbie Payton, an oceanographer with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Seattle.
The Narrows is the drain, collecting the outgoing tide for all of South Puget Sound.
“If a wood chip is moving on the surface of the water (in Puget Sound) the net movement always is north and out of Puget Sound,” Payton said. “It may or may not beach. It depends on the wind.”
The combination of tides, tide-created currents and wind make projecting the exact journey of an item on the surface difficult.
Even the object itself is a variable. Payton said bodies initially sink to the bottom where current movement is less. They tend to stay there until they decompose and gases refloat the body to the surface.
Then current and wind take over.
Judging by the current speed north of Olympia, she said, a floating object could move eight to 12 nautical miles one way on a single tide. Going from Dana Passage to the southern end of Fox Island isn’t unreasonable, she said.
The island is the last barrier for objects floating north to the Narrows.
Unless the winds blow, floating objects tend to stay close to the center of a narrow passage where the current normally is faster. Even if a wind blew an object toward a beach, she said the next tide could refloat it and send it on its way.
“It’s very dynamic,” Payton said. “Where the water is deep and wide, the current is slow. Where it is shallow and narrow it goes fast.”
In the Puget Sound that dynamic can change rapidly, she said
Mike Archbold: 253-597-8692
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I hope it's ok to post this copywritten article that was in our paper today. I found it very interesting.
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Hi Lexi - I don't think he is obligated to tell the public, media, or anyone the truth about Smiley - just as long as he is accurate and truthful with LE, FBI, and anyone involved in the investigation. I'm assuming he told Law Enforcement the truth about Smiley. moo
ETA: he's not even obligated to tell the media the truth about himself - if he begins to shuffle LE around, he can be charged with obstruction. MOO
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Please think long and hard before calling a child a 'run-a-way':
You might be giving a 'perk' to the 'perp'.
Democracy requires the occasional necessity of deferring to the opinions of other people. (Winston Churchill)
Unless it's an FBI type inquiry, then they call your BFF from high school and ask what cocktails you like to have on the weekend. (My best friend of 25 years is an attorney for the feds... guess who got a call when she applied for the latest position?)
A run-away may leave on purpose, but that doesn't mean that they are able to get back home.... Never stop searching.
She says all adults are checked. Which makes me wonder if SS was actually a leader or simply helped RS.
I don't think RS had anything directly to do with the tragedy, but I think he suspected that something might be amiss ahead of time. Did something happen @ home before that Saturday?
SS left a clear trail that night about where she was - stopping @ several stores, bought a jug of wine, stopped at a diner but left without taking the food ordered, stopped at a house. In at least two of these locations, she said she was lost & asked for directions to I-5, which from my first post I have maintained didn't make sense, especially since it was reported that her grandfather said she visited Castle Rock recently.
She was @ the Williams' house approx. 10:00 pm, after driving around "lost" in Olympia for several hours, somehow unable to find I-5, even after looking at a map earlier & being given directions. Low tide @ the beach was approx. 10:34, give or take a few minutes, IIRC. IMO, she drove directly to the beach after leaving the Williams' house.
From the photos I've seen of that beach, it doesn't look like the kind of soft, loose sand that is easy to get stuck in. I've been stuck on a sandy beach before. The sand on that beach looks like it has a lot of beach rocks, shells, etc. - in other words - things that provide traction. Especially since it's been reported that shellfish are cultivated in those waters. Shellfish leave shells. Traction.
The getting lost in Olympia for that many hours is curious. It wasn't unfamiliar territory, if she'd been through there recently to visit the grandparents.
The driving to a remote, difficult to find beach in the dark is also curious, unless she'd been there before. Media & LE have both commented on how remote a location it is - they can't understand how she wound up there - the "opposite direction of her destination."
Leaving the cell phone behind.
Stopping @ so many different locations during those hours of "being lost". As if she wanted to leave a noticeable trail, and wanted a trail of witnesses that believed she was lost, confused, worried.
The van she was driving mysteriously stuck in the sand @ the water's edge with the hatch & door open. Mismatched shoes, an orange ball, a half-empty jug of wine, and an asthma inhaler found not far away. Her wallet & car key found in the van. But, mysteriously, her purse & overnight bag are missing.
Now her little boy has drowned.
And she is nowhere to be found.
If her body doesn't wash up on a beach in the near future, I'll be suspicious.
To understand the soul of a horse is the closest we humans can come to knowing perfection.
Yes, the name literally means 'God Is My Aid,' however, Azrael (also spelled Azriel) is The Archangel of Death.
I had the same initial gut reaction as Silver~Bell and others.
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This article is about the angel of death. For other uses, see Azriel.
Not to be confused with Sir Azreal, a Knight of the Round Table.
Artistic depiction of Azrael, the Angel of Death.
Azrael is the traditional name of the Archangel of Death. He is also the Angel of Death in Islamic extrabiblical tradition and folklore. It is an English form of the Arabic name Azra'il (عزرائيل) or Azra'eil (عزرایل), the name traditionally attributed to the angel of death in Islam and some Hebrew lore. The Qur'an never uses this name, referring instead to Malak al-Maut (which translates directly as angel of death). It is also spelled Izrail, Izrael, "Azriel", Azrail, Ezraeil, Azraille, Azryel, or Ozryel. Chambers English dictionary uses the spelling Azrael. The name literally means Whom God Helps.
While the name Azriel is an unusual one, several important figures - rabbis, Talmudic scholars, journalists, professors - have shared the name.
We are, I know not how, double in ourselves, so that what we believe we disbelieve, and cannot rid ourselves of what we condemn. (Michel de Montaigne)
I am not trying to be judgmental, just wondering how thoroughly people who work with children are checked out in organizations like the Scouts. The DUI was also H&R IIRC, so yes I think it would be on a person's record.
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/m...-and-order-in/A Kitsap Sun search of court records revealed that Smiley was charged with DUI and hit and run in April 2005. She received a deferred prosecution, according to the Cowlitz County Clerk’s Office, meaning that her charges would be dropped if she stayed out of trouble. It appears the deferred prosecution was to last five years, and she’d had no problems since. It’s set to end April 13, 2010.
That means she was never prosecuted, never convicted, and so no criminal record.
This is the Boy Scouts Adult application (pdf): http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/28-501.pdf
It states a criminal background check will be done and has a place for the applicant to indicate if they've been convicted of a criminal offense and if their drivers license had been suspended.
I don't know if a DUI precludes a leadership position but there is a strict no alcohol policy at scouting events.
Here's a link to the WA state petition for Deferred Prosecution (Word doc): http://www.courts.wa.gov/forms/docum...100_012010.doc
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