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    LS had once lived on a 90 acre farm- his parents still lived there. He got rid of the porn. Debbie was found close to the road and not on Schofield propert. Now tell me, if the perp was someone other than LS, why wouldn't the perp have chosen to dump Debbie somewhere on the 90 acres far from the house on the property further away from the road? I don't believe he would have. I believe a perp other than LS would have chosen somewhere on those 90 acres versus close to the road.

    ROM did not leave Sally close to the road. ROM left Sally in the middle of a corn field. IMO if ROM had killed Debbie he would not have left her on the road when 1000'-2000' away was a 90 acre property and a much better choice of place to hide a body.

    I really think the fact that Debbie was NOT found on the Schofield property when it was clearly a better choice to dump a body rather than close to the road is telling and further proof LS is likely Debbies killer.


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    Lisa, where are you?

    Now I am wondering based on the above theory I posted what the NE and SE corners of Lies road looked like in 1966. Where they wooded or open farm land? Was the area of Schofields property near the corners of Fair Oaks and Lies wooded or open property?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    LS had once lived on a 90 acre farm- his parents still lived there. He got rid of the porn. Debbie was found close to the road and not on Schofield propert. Now tell me, if the perp was someone other than LS, why wouldn't the perp have chosen to dump Debbie somewhere on the 90 acres far from the house on the property further away from the road? I don't believe he would have. I believe a perp other than LS would have chosen somewhere on those 90 acres versus close to the road.

    ROM did not leave Sally close to the road. ROM left Sally in the middle of a corn field. IMO if ROM had killed Debbie he would not have left her on the road when 1000'-2000' away was a 90 acre property and a much better choice of place to hide a body.

    I really think the fact that Debbie was NOT found on the Schofield property when it was clearly a better choice to dump a body rather than close to the road is telling and further proof LS is likely Debbies killer.


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    The location of Debbie's body to the Schofield farm was one of the first things that made me think that he didn't do it. I thought, wow, this guy couldn't be this stupid. He had lived in this area his whole life and he had to have known tons of other places to dump a body....why the heck would he put it right next to his parents farm? But after reading many articles I changed my mind. At this point I think that LS followed his normal routine to some degree to cover up what he had done. He really didn't know anything else...if this makes sense. To me, it seems that LS grew up in a strict household, lived with his parents for the first six years of his marriage and even after he stopped teaching he helped his father with his job. It seems to me he did not have control of his life he just followed a plan that others had made for him. He had only lived in his own home for four months and had a six month old baby when Debbie was murdered. I think LS just lost it one day (I do have more to say on this than he just lost it). I don't know if he picked up Debbie to give her a ride home and then something happened and he stangled her enough to knock her out or if he had hurt her somewhere in the school or schoolyard. I do think he killed her somewhere on the family farm and changed clothes there and dropped Debbie along the roadside on his way home. The statements he made to LE: I have a sexual problem, I could have done it, I'm capable of doing it, I don't deny I could have done it, I shouldn't be on the streets, I don't want to go home, I have a problem with Debbie, etc... These are some pretty damning statements. Later in the week he took back that he could have done it but at this point I think all fingers were pointed at him. And the way that no one in the area wanted to talk about this case to the media makes me wonder if there something about LS that no one wanted to say because of his parents. Was there something known about LS but was not discussed in public but only behind closed doors? And I really would like to know why LS did not become a priest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey5 View Post
    The location of Debbie's body to the Schofield farm was one of the first things that made me think that he didn't do it. I thought, wow, this guy couldn't be this stupid. He had lived in this area his whole life and he had to have known tons of other places to dump a body....why the heck would he put it right next to his parents farm? But after reading many articles I changed my mind. At this point I think that LS followed his normal routine to some degree to cover up what he had done. He really didn't know anything else...if this makes sense. To me, it seems that LS grew up in a strict household, lived with his parents for the first six years of his marriage and even after he stopped teaching he helped his father with his job. It seems to me he did not have control of his life he just followed a plan that others had made for him. He had only lived in his own home for four months and had a six month old baby when Debbie was murdered. I think LS just lost it one day (I do have more to say on this than he just lost it). I don't know if he picked up Debbie to give her a ride home and then something happened and he stangled her enough to knock her out or if he had hurt her somewhere in the school or schoolyard. I do think he killed her somewhere on the family farm and changed clothes there and dropped Debbie along the roadside on his way home. The statements he made to LE: I have a sexual problem, I could have done it, I'm capable of doing it, I don't deny I could have done it, I shouldn't be on the streets, I don't want to go home, I have a problem with Debbie, etc... These are some pretty damning statements. Later in the week he took back that he could have done it but at this point I think all fingers were pointed at him. And the way that no one in the area wanted to talk about this case to the media makes me wonder if there something about LS that no one wanted to say because of his parents. Was there something known about LS but was not discussed in public but only behind closed doors? And I really would like to know why LS did not become a priest.


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    I agree. Though we know she was seen at the swing. We know her muddy boot prints led from the swing to the place where the witness saw a girl who resembled Debbie wearing a coat similiar to Debbies was talking to a man in a white car near the intersection of Fair Oaks and St. Charles rd. So LS could not have hurt Debbie in the school or school yard as she made it to the intersection of St. Charles and Fair Oaks.

    Lisa said she saw Debbie talking to LS when she left the school that day, and they were one of the last people to leave. Lisa did not know of anyone still at the school other than LS, and Debbie, at least that we know of.. We know from media reports Debbie, LS, the female teacher (husband went to pick her up) and the janitor were at least the last 4 at school that day. IIRC media reports cleared the janitor, the female teacher left with her husband, that leaves LS and Debbie.......

    I think whatever happened that day LS snapped. He knew the proximity of his home on Old Gary Rd left him little time to commute from leaving the school and arriving home. He knew Debbies mom had less than a 5 min drive to the school and if she did not see Debbie her mom would be driving in the area soon looking for Debbie. He HAD to get rid of the body quickly, and impulsivly KNEW he had to get her OFF his dads property. The quickest place was OFF the road he had LIVED on and Lies was the closest place.... so I believe he dumped her there. Went east on Lies away from the scene of the crime home in enough time it might not have caused suspicion. I do know believe for a second MAS (Ls's wife) would be honest about the time he arrived home.

    IIRC, LS did not get the call Debbie was missing until 6:30 pm at his home on Old Gary Rd. That leaves appx 1 hour to 1 hour and 15 min for all of this to have taken place.
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    Lightbulb LS's "past life"

    I think need to find out more about what the Sheriff's office or detective was alluding to when he asked LS about not recalling events because of his "past life".

    Since we discovered information that LS was not included in the wedding notice published in the paper for his older brothers wedding, about the time he was 16, perhaps we can sleuth some of LS's HS peers. (His HS is listed here somewhere). Perhaps if we can locate a HS peer they might be willing to share with us what they remember. (Abbey05 had found this info at Ancestry.com IIRC. We did not post it because we did not want to publish/post the names of LS's brothers because they were not living at the home at the time and are innocent if LS is repsonsible for Debbies murder. If we discover they are deceased we can use their names and post there info. If they are living we can not to protect their privacy)

    This is pure speculation, but I wonder if LS had some kind of mental breakdown in HS. We were unable to find anything regarding possible sexual abuse in the Catholic schools LS had ties too..... doesn't mean the lack of locating information rules the possibility out, just means we have not uncovered info to support that theory.

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    I admire all of you for the fantastic sleuthing job you have done on this case. Truly amazing!!

    When I read the first thread, I was convinced that LS was responsible. His cagey manner, the fact that he "Has a past", he and his wife cooperated in a lie to prevent anyone from learning about his whereabouts for the time period, the fact that he had access to Debbie, white car, scratches on his hands, obvious frustration with Debbie in relation to his own son, the fact that he turned in not one, but two small knives, don't even want to get started on porn in his desk at school, or his wife helping destroy it, all came together to make him look VERY guilty!!

    Then I started thinking of motive. What motive would he have to kill Debbie? He seems very docile and harmless to hear him described. He certainly was not the macho man that led his family or most likely even his students. That leaves, anger, did she refuse advances made by him? Lust? Same scenario. Jealousy, yep, same motive.

    I really wonder how far things had gone between them. The 50's and 60's was unfortunately a time when children could be easily made to stay quiet about abuse and abusers, by either threats or intimidation. (You know you like this and that makes you evil, bad, pick your word here). Is it possible that LS moved away from Mommy and Daddy due to an illicit relationship between he and Debbie? God, I hope not! When I was 11 my best friend was being abused by the neighbor. No one knew until she got pregnant at 12.

    Also, what of Mrs. LS and her actions? Where was she that evening, what did she know, see, hear? She was frightened enough to lie, tamper with evidence and hide who knows what? Being that they were both raised in the church, almost becoming nun and priest, if they were involved, the guilt must have eaten them alive!

    I can't get over the intimacy in the way she was killed. How personal it was enacted. Also, I hardly think that something as bizarre as bite marks would have gone unreported if they were found. That seemed beyond crazy in that era.

    Then thread two. I started to think more about Bellarimo? Is that the correct name? It has been stated several times that he had no discernable motive for lying about the murder. He wasn't in custody or on trial and needed to turn states evidence for a break to get a lesser sentence. He also knew AV and even if they were not bosom buddies, he knew him.

    What would he have had to gain by lying? Notoriety? Ummm, probably not much. $$$, as far as I know, there was no reward at that time. What if he was telling the truth? I remember reading that there was some thought to there being two people involved. Also, no murder weapon was ever found. A sharpened spoon could probably make a similar wound to a pen knife, without any real preciseness, which if I summarised the information we have correctly, would lend its self to that theory, possibly.

    AV, the idea of him, gives me the hee bee jee bees. Have no idea on motive, but she knew him, he had opportunity, she most likely trusted him, white car (again). I just really feel he can not be thrown out as a suspect. I would like to think I am wrong and that he wasn't involved, but the fact that he joined a search for Debbie and found her, in that area, first place he looked...ummm sure. Hope he buys a heck of a lot of lottery tickets every day.

    Other theory. Depending upon what time of day he got home, if it was Friday, earlier in the day, could he have seen someone/something happen to Debbie, but didn't do anything to stop it, but knew where to look?

    Anyway, just things I've been muddling through with my tired brain!

    Oh, and I searched for a LONG time and couldn't find any ROM info either. Too bizarre!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    I think need to find out more about what the Sheriff's office or detective was alluding to when he asked LS about not recalling events because of his "past life".

    Since we discovered information that LS was not included in the wedding notice published in the paper for his older brothers wedding, about the time he was 16, perhaps we can sleuth some of LS's HS peers. (His HS is listed here somewhere). Perhaps if we can locate a HS peer they might be willing to share with us what they remember. (Abbey05 had found this info at Ancestry.com IIRC. We did not post it because we did not want to publish/post the names of LS's brothers because they were not living at the home at the time and are innocent if LS is repsonsible for Debbies murder. If we discover they are deceased we can use their names and post there info. If they are living we can not to protect their privacy)

    This is pure speculation, but I wonder if LS had some kind of mental breakdown in HS. We were unable to find anything regarding possible sexual abuse in the Catholic schools LS had ties too..... doesn't mean the lack of locating information rules the possibility out, just means we have not uncovered info to support that theory.

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    You know Cubby, being a homosexual was considered a mental illness at that time. Any theory on whether he was caught experimenting to find his sexual orientation?

    Again I have no clue about any of this, but being born about a year after Debbie in 1957, times were very different religiously and politically. Especially in small towns.

    Oy! I'm going to hell for sure!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
    You know Cubby, being a homosexual was considered a mental illness at that time. Any theory on whether he was caught experimenting to find his sexual orientation?

    Again I have no clue about any of this, but being born about a year after Debbie in 1957, times were very different religiously and politically. Especially in small towns.

    Oy! I'm going to hell for sure!
    Nothing we have uncovered leads to any indication LS was experimenting with homosexuality or bisexuality. IMO the only 'tie' to that possibility is very loosely with LS being Catholic and our knowledge of rampant sexual abuse by priests and nuns in the Catholic church. Is it possible LS was abused by a priest or nun and that could be what was meant by his 'past life', certainly. Since LE asked him about it, I think there is a good chance that may be in the LE files about this case but that is just a guess.

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    Based on what we've found about AV off forum, he has worked with children for a long time. I have no reason to believe he would have anything to do with this..... just a gut. While we don't know, LE has likely ruled him and bellemaro (SP?) out.... I'm going to guess AV and his GF were at home at his parents house when they got the call Debbie was missing... so they all had alibi's. My guess is he and his GF went North to search because everyone else went South towards the school and being an 18 or 19 yr old kid he wanted to cover more ground rather than tag along to assist the other adults. At that age he would have been expanding his indepence greatly being his 1st or 2nd yr in college. (Just based on the average college kid).

    IMO, and this is speculation Debbie 'annoyed' LS because he was fond of her and found himself responding to her physically. He probably daydreamed or fantasized about her for sometime until he crossed a line that day. IMO, just because there were no signs that Debbie was sexually molested does not mean LS did not expose himself to her ...... Perhaps he thought she would respond favorably to him if he did and when her response was not as he expected he knew there was no turning back time. He had crossed the ultimate line and had to kill her in order to keep her from telling anyone. Had she told, his whole world, life, career, marriage would come crumbling down. This, imo, is a very likely possibility because we know he couldn't excersize enough self discipline to refrain from bringing porn to school so his boundaries were clearly not all there.

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    Additional thoughts. IF LS had exposed himself to Debbie thinking she would respond favorably, I can see him being disgusted with himself, hating himself for what he did.... IMO, he was TRYING to tell LE when he said those things about himself while being interogated. It was his way of trying to tell the truth and hoping LE would figure it out. And even though he didn't come out and actually TELL the truth about what happened, he convinced himself what he did say was truthful even though deep inside he knows he is fooling himself. I also think he would lean on his faith, that all men fall short, and he'll convince himself based on his beliefs he's forgiven.......

    Catholics are odd with the 'good works' thing. IMO, at least from my perspective, they sometimes and possibly often confuse good works with confessing their sins. I wonder if LS ever confessed to a priest what he had done. IMO, if he did he would feel completely absolved of any responsiblity for Debbies murder and of course a priest could not go to LE with this information because of their vows and the rules/laws of the church.



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    Wow, scary and a bit sick that he would feel absolved of all guilt, just because he confessed to a priest.

    I have to mull this over more, but I feel like there is something on the tip of my brain that I'm just not quite able to reach out and grab.

    I hope you are not offended by me jumping in, I am just fascinated by how much information you have gathered and helped law enforcement with!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
    Wow, scary and a bit sick that he would feel absolved of all guilt, just because he confessed to a priest.

    I have to mull this over more, but I feel like there is something on the tip of my brain that I'm just not quite able to reach out and grab.

    I hope you are not offended by me jumping in, I am just fascinated by how much information you have gathered and helped law enforcement with!

    Of course we are not offended by you jumping in!!!!!!
    I am ecstatic new eyes are on Debbies case!!!!

    As for the thought of being absolved if he confessed to a priest.
    IMO, those who are deeply religious would likely believe they are responsible to God, not man.
    Even though that is BS imo. God allowed man to put laws into place.
    Lets not forget, the Lord said, "whatsover you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." IMO that means if you murder one of your brothers it is like murdering the Lord. JMO

    I understand having to mull things over. I often need to 'sit with some time to think about things....' before I am able to gather my thoughts and put them in writing. It is like a light bulb moment but you need to allow time to listen to it.

    Thanks sooooooo much for your interest in Debbies case.
    It means a lot to me and I am sure it means a great deal to her family.

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    Some additonal thoughts based on research and sleuthing both on and off forum. Some was off forum to protect the privacy of innocent people who knew LS.

    We have no reason to believe LS was anything other than a typical "Good Catholic boy" who attended Catholic grammer, high school and college. His mother came from a prominent family in the immediate area of the farm where he grew up. IIRC her maiden name is Klein, and the NS road just west of Fair Oaks was named AFTER his mothers family - Klein Rd. The area was considered very rural. He came from a well know prestigous? local family, and I think that is why the neighbors would not cooperate with the media or LE back then. (there is also a Kline Creek and Kline Creek farm in the area, but I have no information to know if the Klein and Kline families were related in any way..... )

    Debbies family on the other hand had only moved into the neighborhood (from another nearby suburb) sometime the year or year and a half prior to her murder. They were basically still 'newcomers' to the area at least were loyalties came in, in a small rural community.

    IIRC, Debbie started attending Benjaman school in the 4th grade and was murdered in the middle of 5th grade.

    I've received private emails from those who wished to share what they knew of LS after finding the thread here, but did not wish to share on the forum. Basically, they ALL were shocked to learn of Debbies case and shared that he was "HIGHLY" respected in the community and after reading probably guilty, but would leave that to a court of law.

    I hope that provides some insight into what we have learned about the man others believed LS to be....... Of course everthing is not always as it appears and everyone is not always as they appear.

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    A message for Debbie. I haven't forgotten ya girl! and I am FIGHTING HARD to bring you justice!

    I don't know you, never met you, but somehow feel close to you. I was born the month following your murder. Maybe that is why I feel this connection to your case, and I feel like you are my family, but like family I never met due to us not being on this earth at the same time.

    I will fight until my dying breath for Justice for you, even if I am the last 'man' (I'm not a man) standing to do so.

    You are not forgotten and Justice will be served! I have zero doubt about it!
    I'm not only confident I am convinced Justice WILL be served!

    Your friend, Cubby
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    I have often felt that it is those we would never suspect, that are the most successful in committing the worst crimes. Seems that families and friends are always shocked and deny that the person they know and love could commit such a crime, or series of crimes. Is that the case here? Who knows. One problem is that if LS committed any type of offense at a young age, that will never see the light of day, due to the sealing of records for juveniles.

    Because of inaccuracies stated about "Life among Serial Killers", I decided to look up and see if I could read some of it online, vs purchasing it:

    http://media.wiley.com/product_data/...0470869771.pdf

    This is the section on Richard Otto Macek. I find his description interesting:

    When two guards brought Richard Otto Macek into the meeting
    room, I couldn’t believe what I saw. He was nothing like what I had
    anticipated. He was a short man in his thirties with whitish hair that
    bore remnants of blond and an unmemorable, babyish face. He was
    dressed in a drab brown shirt and pants issued by the prison hospital.
    Macek himself was physically odd. He was powerfully built, short and
    stocky, and he struck me as having brawny arms and a massive torso,
    reflecting enormous strength. Paradoxically, he struck me as pudgy
    with a peculiar combination of male and female characteristics, including
    a roundish body and soft, almost delicate, features.
    Although he had shackles on his feet, he was not at all the odious
    murderer I expected. He looked right at me, smiled brightly, and
    shook my hand with a manly grip. It was as though this were a social
    event and he was trying to play the part of attentive host. He smiled
    again, this time showing his somewhat ill-fitting dentures.

    Quite a bit more at the site, the section is several pages long, most of which is quite dramatized.


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