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  1. #31
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    BRBM(bold red by me)
    It makes me wonder if Alcala had been to or stayed in Dallas, Texas or Illinois before? Maybe we should be looking there for crimes that fit his MO. I believe I read he was born in Texas and moved to California with his family when he was 12. I haven't heard anything about him being in IL before though??


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    I think the article saying he was arrested in Seattle is incorrect. The following excerpt is from an appellate court opinion dealing with Alcala's case:

    www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/archive/S150806.PDF

    (This excerpt is on Page 5 of a 32-page document.)

    Excerpt:
    When petitioner visited his girlfriend, Elizabeth Kelleher, in Long Beach on June 22, his hair was long and curly. On June 23, the composite sketch was distributed throughout the area; on that same day, petitioner straightened his hair with the aid of a chemical product. On June 26, he cut his hair.
    On July 8, he told Kelleher he had decided to leave Southern California for Dallas, Texas, where he planned to establish a photography business. Kelleher accompanied defendant to the Monterey Park residence he shared with his mother to help him pack for the trip.

    On July 11, defendant rented a storage locker in Seattle, Washington. When he returned to California three days later, he did not mention to anyone that he had been to Seattle, and instead told Kelleher he had been to Dallas. On July 23, defendant told Kelleher he would leave for Dallas on the following day ó and he told another acquaintance he would leave for Chicago. (Alcala II, supra, 4 Cal.4th at p. 760.)

    Petitioner was arrested on July 24, however, and a search warrant was served on the home he shared with his mother. The police impounded a Datsun F10 parked at the residence and registered to petitioner, inside of which the officers found camera equipment and a briefcase containing a set of keys. Inside the home, officers seized sets of Kane Kut kitchen knives and observed a receipt for a storage locker located in Seattle, Washington. One of the officers copied the information on the receipt but did not seize
    it. Officers returned the next day to retrieve the receipt, but it was gone.3(Alcala II, supra, 4 Cal.4th at pp. 756-761.)

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    http://www.stevehodel.com/evidenceroom/?p=812

    From the above, Alcala's apartment in 1968 where he raped Tali S. was on Delongpre Street in Los Angeles.

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    New time line info here, such as, He was AWOL a few times from the Army and he (exposed himself to his sister), that must have been reported to the authorities or how else would they know that little piece of info. Is someone updating the original time line we have here at the beginning of this thread?

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcal...cs=1#graphics1

    Also mentions where he vacationed a few times.
    Last edited by Billylee; 04-10-2010 at 01:11 PM. Reason: add something

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    New time line info here, such as, He was AWOL a few times from the Army and he (exposed himself to his sister), that must have been reported to the authorities or how else would they know that little piece of info. Is someone updating the original time line we have here at the beginning of this thread?

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcal...cs=1#graphics1

    Also mentions where he vacationed a few times.
    Great find!! I've snipped the two parts with the most new info:

    Early stuff



    Later stuff (note all the places/dates when he was on vacation!)


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    What a great timeline, Indiana! thanks for getting that.

    What I gleaned from an article is that Alcala was in NYC in 1968 (we knew that) and again in 1978 (we didn't know this).

    From the original timeline/1st post (my additions in italics):

    ~January-March 22: unknown. May have been in NYC.

    ~"1978 (March 22) interviewed at his motherís home in Monterey Park as part of Hillside Strangler investigation. Found in possession of marijuana.
    1978 (March 22) incarcerated (for a short time...approx 2 months) (Posession-drugs)

    Say he was incarcerated for 60 days. That takes out March 22 - May 22.

    There is one month here he could've been in NY: Late May through late June

    1978 (June 24) Charlotte Lamb age 32 (Murder; Convicted, 2010. California)

    1978 summer "The Dating Game" TV game show contestant. Rod Alcala aka Bachelor Number One (show aired September 13, 1978)"

    I read that this had been taped sometime earlier that summer, say 6-8 weeks before airdate. That narrows the window to mid-July to early August tape date...in Los Angeles. Which leaves us with the end of June through mid-July to be in NYC.

    I don't know when he was there, but I have two ideas...one, he spent the early part of the year there, and the other one is that he left LA after Charlotte Lamb was murdered 6/24, to lessen the pressure of scrutiny by the PD.

    I wonder whose been listed as missing during those time frames in NY?

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    Let me see if I can do it this way.

    ********************
    1978

    Jan: Unknown

    Feb: Unknown

    Mar: 3/22. Interviewed as part of the Hillside Strangler investigation. Arrested for possession of pot/parole vio. Served short sentence (+/-60 days)

    April: Incarcerated Los Angeles.

    May: Incarcerated Los Angeles.

    June: Released June 17.
    Charlotte Lamb murdered June 24.

    July: July 2 started vacation; areas visited: Chicago, Washington DC, NY.
    ~ Ellen Hover missing 7/13.
    Aug: Aug 11: El Paso, TX.

    Sep: Air date for "Dating Game" Sept. 13. Likely shot a few weeks earlier (although unknown).

    Oct: Unknown

    Nov: Unknown

    Dec: Unknown

    *********************

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    I made myself a timeline to see the gaps between the known murders and his incarceration. We now know there were probably more murders between these gaps. I double checked all these dates. In case anyone finds this useful, thought I would post:

    DATES OF MURDERS AND INCARCERATION

    1968 Sept. 25, 1968 First known attack on Tali Shapiro, Los Angeles

    1971 June 22, 1971 Cornelia Crilley, New York

    1971 Aug 12 ARRESTED IN CONCORD NH, INCARCERAATED UNTIL
    Aug 3, 1974


    1974 October 16, 1974 Julie J., age 13, Huntington Beach, CA

    1974 October 16, 1974 INCARCERATED UNTIL JUNE 17, 1977

    1977 July 13, 1977 Ellen Hover murdered in New York

    October 8, 1977 Pamela Jean Lambson, San Francisco, CA

    November 9, 1977 Jill Barcomb, Franklin Canyon, Beverly Hills

    Dec. 16, 1977 Georgia Wixted murdered in Malibu apt


    1978 March 22 to May 22 (approx) INCARCERATED FOR POSSESSION
    Incarcerated for possession of marijuana March 22 to May 22, 1978 (exact dates uncertain).


    1978 June 24, 1978 Charlotte Lamb, El Segundo, CA

    1979 February 12, 1979 "Monique H." age 15, Riverside County, CA
    June 14, 1979 Jill Parenteau killed in her Burbank apartment.
    June 20, 1979 Robin Samsoe murdered in Huntington Beach


    1979 JULY 24, 1979 ARRESTED, INCARCERATED TO PRESENT

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    Does anybody have the name of the summer camp he worked for in NH between '68 and '71, or the town in which it was located?

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    Could we also add any vehicles, make, model etc...? I know vehicles are not officially part of a time line of whereabouts but vehicles change through time and the vehicle descriptions become buried in threads. The vehicle descriptions do not warrant a thread of their own (IMO) so could they be tucked in the time line too please?

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    Im not sure iam posting this under the correct spot for alcala but i was jjust watching a tv show called Investigators and they had a case that was exstremly simmilar his name was ray bradburry and he took pics of women ,told them he was a model agent and killed quite a few the los angelas police have 3 posters of women thay cant account for .It just reminded me of this case here ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanManEh View Post
    Im not sure iam posting this under the correct spot for alcala but i was jjust watching a tv show called Investigators and they had a case that was exstremly simmilar his name was ray bradburry and he took pics of women ,told them he was a model agent and killed quite a few the los angelas police have 3 posters of women thay cant account for .It just reminded me of this case here ..
    Here are two of the still missing apparent victims of Ray Bradburry:

    April Cooper

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cooper_april.html

    Laurie Lucas

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lucas_laurie.html

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    Given alcala's connection with New Hampshire in that time period, has anyone explored a connection with the following:

    http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/w..._Brook_Remains

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    Alcala's visit to a family in El Paso in August 1977 coincided nicely with the disappearance of Christine Ruth Thornton as posted by her sister on the Woman on Motorcycle thread. She is listed as disappearing from San Antonio, TX, in August 1977.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...4#post11084444

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    Alcala is being investigated as a possible suspect in the disappearance of Rachel Hanna Ziselman. She was last seen on September 5, 1977 in Pacific Palisades, California.

    Here's the link:

    http://www.palipost.com/still-search...er-connection/

    In the summer of 1977, a man took a picture of two girls (without them knowing) then showed it to them and offered to take more in his van. They declined but one of the girls kept the picture. After she saw the image of the man from the "Dating Game" footage, she (and her friend) were convinced that it was Alcala. They say he may have referred to himself as "Rod". It's still ongoing but it might end up being true.

    The picture taken of the girls is included in the article as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeWillBeServed View Post
    Alcala is being investigated as a possible suspect in the disappearance of Rachel Hanna Ziselman. She was last seen on September 5, 1977 in Pacific Palisades, California.

    Here's the link:

    http://www.palipost.com/still-search...er-connection/

    In the summer of 1977, a man took a picture of two girls (without them knowing) then showed it to them and offered to take more in his van. They declined but one of the girls kept the picture. After she saw the image of the man from the "Dating Game" footage, she (and her friend) were convinced that it was Alcala. They say he may have referred to himself as "Rod". It's still ongoing but it might end up being true.

    The picture taken of the girls is included in the article as well.
    O my God, another possible victim. I'm still working on the man in the foliage picture but am going to check Rachel out. Thank you for this new info.

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