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    Blonde girl in two piece yellow swim suit


    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_debra.html

    She went missing in Ventura which is not too far from Los Angeles county where Alcala has been active.

    Here's one of Alcala's photos.

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    Blonde girl in two piece yellow swim suit


    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_debra.html

    She went missing in Ventura which is not too far from Los Angeles county where Alcala has been active.

    Here's one of Alcala's photos.


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    The looks are similar, good call!

    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_debra.html

    She went missing in Ventura which is not too far from Los Angeles county where Alcala has been active.

    Here's one of Alcala's photos.


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    Wow, This one does look like it could be it! Ive been looking through these for a couple hrs. on the report it says she has a scar on her adbomen and if you look at the picture, there is a red mark that apears to be a scar maybe??


    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_debra.html

    She went missing in Ventura which is not too far from Los Angeles county where Alcala has been active.

    Here's one of Alcala's photos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_debra.html

    She went missing in Ventura which is not too far from Los Angeles county where Alcala has been active.

    Here's one of Alcala's photos.

    from what we can see that looks pretty darned close!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amandab View Post
    IMO the lips/mouth area look too different.

    I agree. The mouth area is pretty different.
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    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98548

    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_debra.html

    She went missing in Ventura which is not too far from Los Angeles county where Alcala has been active.

    Here's one of Alcala's photos.

    Apparently the photo on charleyproject was cropped - I found the entire picture and I have to say it really seems to be her.

    http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/ima....jpg&width=200

    If you look at the above photo you see in both photos the hair seems to be exactly the same. Also, she has very a very prominent collar bone. The only thing Im sure about is the upper lip, seems thin in the photo on charley project and a bit more full in his photo though you cant see it completely.

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    this pic keeps haunting me. the girl's eyes are filled with fear and it looks like bruises around her mouth and down her jaw

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    http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcal...article-photos
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    we need to encourage harder sentencing on those that are harming our children. our children are worth it!!

    stop the circus!! these children as all children deserve to be found and justice brought forth for what has happened to them!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by punklove View Post
    Apparently the photo on charleyproject was cropped - I found the entire picture and I have to say it really seems to be her.

    http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/ima....jpg&width=200

    If you look at the above photo you see in both photos the hair seems to be exactly the same. Also, she has very a very prominent collar bone. The only thing Im sure about is the upper lip, seems thin in the photo on charley project and a bit more full in his photo though you cant see it completely.
    Deborah Kidwell also had a scar on her abdomen, according to her Charley Project page. I can't tell if there's a scar on the woman pictured in the bikini.

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    Does this case remind anyone of Harvey Glatman? He also acted as a photographer and tolled for models within newspapers, he even posted his own ads within papers in order to get a response. He loved to photograph the women in various stages of duress, some of the women he drove to the middle of nowhere and photographed them before and after he killed them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Glatman

    Havey moved to LA in 1957 and was arrested in 1958 for the murders, when he was caught it was all over the newspapers for some time, (examples: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QIgHcbNTJf...ares+(001).jpg and http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QIgHcbNTJf...ares+(003).jpg)

    Harvey loved to talk about what he did, so he was in the newspaper quite often, telling about how he 'bound' the women.. the length of rope he used to tie them up even how he killed them. The photos of the bound (and killed) women were also released, which leads me to these questions..

    1) Is it possible that Rodney Alcala was reading these newspapers, as most of the country was, while working (or perfecting) his own 'plan'? He was 14-15 and living in LA when this case was on the cover of the LA times constantly.

    Both men used a camera in order to get women to trust them, both men seemed to like to photograph the women from the moment they met, until after death. Both men either placed or answered ads in newspapers in order to have access to 'models'. Both men liked to make the person (that was terrified) pose as if they werent. Both men liked the power of being in control so much that they would choke the victim then resuscitated them in order to continue their agony (and his control). Both men liked to keep photos of their victims as mementos, to relive the moment.

    This is a photo of Judy Dull, One of Glatman's victims, tied and bound.. Nothing graphic but upsetting none the less, so make sure you want to look before clicking.

    (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QIgHcbNTJf...Dull+(009).jpg)

    If you look at the photo of the girl in the yellow swim suit, she has what tooks like rope burns around her stomach and rib area, brusing around her upper knee area. I wonder if he tied her to something? I can do a side by side if anyone wants? I just didnt want to post something that could be upsetting and have someone see it that didnt want to.

    Ive been thinking that he was looking through ads to find his models, is it possible that he posted ads?
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    There are more comments about her. Feel free to link to the other posts and I'll move them over here as well.

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    Does anyone know if this girl has been submitted? TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Does anyone know if this girl has been submitted? TIA!
    Yes, I believe donjeta has submitted this one as a possible match to Debra Kidwell.

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    It looks to me like Yellow Bikini Girl has braces on her lower teeth, and has a severe underbite.



    If so, that would raise doubts that she is Debra Kidwell, as there is no indication that DK wore braces.
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