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    I'm looking at her hair. It looks like her hair has been pulled and the pony tails are tied in a big mess. She looks like she's been struggling and is breathing hard. This is just horrible
    I see nothing in your eyes, and the more I see the
    less I like. Is it over yet? In my head
    I know nothing of your kind and I won't reveal your
    evil mind. Is it over yet? I can't wait
    ~Breaking Benjamin~ "Breath"


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    It looks to me like Yellow Bikini Girl has braces on her lower teeth, and has a severe underbite.



    If so, that would raise doubts that she is Debra Kidwell, as there is no indication that DK wore braces.
    Her lips appear to me to be much fuller than Debra's.
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    Revisiting this photograph I was noticing some things.

    In the background on a desk or table it appears there is a handwritten letter. Perhaps we can garnish some clues from that.

    Also, I don't see a scar on this poor woman, but rather fresh, red marks. Almost like she'd been tied up. Then she has another thicker what looks to be a fresh mark under her navel. Like maybe she had been taped and the tape pulled off.

    This also appears to be maybe a woman's house. The decor makes me think such. I know both sexes have Asian inspired decor, but there's a doll on the table by the lamp. Not sure if she's a Geisha doll or what. She actually appears to be maybe a Spanish doll.

    Could this be a beach house? Is it this poor woman's house? Also I think she is dancing. Her fingers appear to be snapping. I don't think it's at will of course, but I do think he made her dance.

    The letter may hold a big key if someone can get a closer shot of it. Like almost every picture I swear I see bruising. It may be my imagination though. Inside of her left wrist.


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    I was looking at the xxl photo of her on the nancy grace site, and noticed this:



    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00581.jpg

    Click on the cnn link and look at her photo.. I wonder if thats a scar? It obviously slants downward so it seemingly could be called an abdominal scar? In the photo you can see the bruises more clearly, her right arm looks a little swollen and bruised around the elbow, both hands seem bruises, and directly above and below and above her knees.

    Am I looking too hard or some someone else see it too?


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    On this photo I hesitate to be certain about much. The lighting seems odd. I do see red streaks on her abdomen, but that's all I feel safe ascribing to something other than the lighting. I think that the original negative or print is of poor quality.
    If you look at the lampshade, there's 4 or 5 red blotches on it that I can't figure out what they are. Other bulbs inside the shade? Some defect in the negative or printing? Artifact caused by internal reflections in the lens. Makes me reluctant to be sure about anything else in this one.
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    I think I see more faint reddish blotches going in a vertical line up and down from the lampshade and also on the wall slightly left of her head. I think it's probably a defect in the negative but I guess it could be caused by something that reflects light outside the photo.


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    I see what looks like it could be an under-bite, but could also be an angry facial expression. Almost like she was grinding her teeth. And I agree that it looks like she was being made to dance.


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    Could this girl be the same girl we see lying on a carpet? Can't decide.


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    Ok, this is more than likely not important at all but the aluminum foil in this photo is making me nuts. What is the purpose for it? There is foil on the table in the background, as well as in the lower right side of the photo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by punklove View Post
    Ok, this is more than likely not important at all but the aluminum foil in this photo is making me nuts. What is the purpose for it? There is foil on the table in the background, as well as in the lower right side of the photo.
    On the table in the backround, it's wrapped around the base of a lamp or candle holder. On the right, I'm not so sure it's aluminum foil. I've been looking at that for a while. Overall, I'm more interested in where this photograph was taken as the backround scenery is quiite different from many of the other photographs. The japanese figures and the indian lamp don't appear in the other backrounds. Also here, he seems to have set up "black-out" photography curtains (with a few holes in them)...Different location from most of the others we've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by punklove View Post
    I was looking at the xxl photo of her on the nancy grace site, and noticed this:



    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00581.jpg

    Click on the cnn link and look at her photo.. I wonder if thats a scar? It obviously slants downward so it seemingly could be called an abdominal scar? In the photo you can see the bruises more clearly, her right arm looks a little swollen and bruised around the elbow, both hands seem bruises, and directly above and below and above her knees.

    Am I looking too hard or some someone else see it too?
    PL, I see a bruise running horizontal on the side of her left knee. It's much like the one in the posed photograph of the helmet girls leg in that horrid position.

    Not so sure about that being a scar that you outlined, but maybe a bruise.

    I see what looks like rope burn around her torso. It's real red. Fresh. It's above her navel and then another below it as if she was tied that way.

    I also see on the inside of her left wrist what I think is a huge black and blue. That maybe I am imagining or it's a shadow?

    Pink Panther brought up a good point about those curtains. You can see a small rip where light comes through. Now I am thinking this is the location he took the woman's picture outside between the two funky trees. The woman withthe wild print shirt. Who I still think is a guy actually.

    This looks to be a chick's place. It's decorated like a woman's I think. Maybe a rental?

    On the lower right hand I see exactly what you mean, but I think it looks more like plastic. I also see something plasticy on the left hand sideof the picture. Lord only know what that is.

    The foil? On the table? Did people smoke heroin back then? Or maybe cooked up on tin foil? Maybe hash? Then again you'd have a hash pipe I guess. From this photo I don't see any tracks onn this poor lady. From all his other pictures everyone has HUGE PUPILS so that'd rule out the heroin.

    That note in the background though I think is key. I'm looking at it through a magnifying glass like a nutter. I can't read it. If anyone can zero in on that maybe we'd have a clue. I want this poor girl to be alive. Alive and well.


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    Could that be a hash pipe or houka on the table behind her. The apartment is feminine but I am wondering if it is his. The bookcase behind her has absolutely no books or nic nacks as if someone just moved in. Alcala must have had several apartments since he was in and out of prison several times. Are those red panties beside the figurine? The aluminum foil could be related to hashish, you think?


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    The aluminium foil could be related to hashish, but to my eyes it looks an awful lot of foil for that, unless he was seriously entertaining huge numpers of people. Back before little ziploc bags became so common, it was ordinary to buy marijuana as a "stick", which was basically one or two dried branches or twigs with their leaves and buds, wrapped up tight in foil.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacegirl View Post
    I see what looks like it could be an under-bite, but could also be an angry facial expression. Almost like she was grinding her teeth. And I agree that it looks like she was being made to dance.
    Definitely doesn't look like the expression of someone who is having a great time.
    It is the nature of the truth to struggle to the light.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    PL, I see a bruise running horizontal on the side of her left knee.
    The area the arrow is pointing to?


    I noticed that area was darker than the surrounding areas but couldn't decide if it was a bruise or the shadow of her arm. Not entirely sure her arm would cast a shadow there though.
    It is the nature of the truth to struggle to the light.


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