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    I've been looking at her waist and I do see some sort of discoloration/redness.


    I used the "negative" function on my software and it convinced me there really is something to see there.
    It is the nature of the truth to struggle to the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reasypeasy View Post
    The aluminium foil could be related to hashish, but to my eyes it looks an awful lot of foil for that, unless he was seriously entertaining huge numpers of people. Back before little ziploc bags became so common, it was ordinary to buy marijuana as a "stick", which was basically one or two dried branches or twigs with their leaves and buds, wrapped up tight in foil.
    Thai stick. I haven't heard of that in a billion years.

    Maybe it's not even tinfoil we're seeing, but a candle holder or something? If he was smoking heroin it'd be flat. If it was hash he'd make a lil pipe? In all honesty I never smoked so I'm guessing.

    Jess, that's it. I meant the right leg. I'm sorry.

    Redbird was asking about the panites. I thought it was another doll. That wouldn't go with the decor.

    Jess, you're right she doesn't look none too happy. She's probably terrorized. I'm a little younger than all the people in these photographs. I recall Goldie Hawn having pigtails pre pixie haircut. Did people put the hair that close to their face?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessunlil View Post
    I've been looking at her waist and I do see some sort of discoloration/redness.


    I used the "negative" function on my software and it convinced me there really is something to see there.

    Great idea about the negative function. Maybe it can help with some other photos too.

    As an eternal optimist I'm wondering if reddish discoloration in the waist area mightn't possibly be innocently explained if she's just gotten out of clothes that had a waistband that was a bit too tight. I get that a lot (but I'm a bit more rounded than she is). It doesn't look like a waistband the way it seems to go up in the back though. It's like a rope tied twice around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    Great idea about the negative function. Maybe it can help with some other photos too.

    As an eternal optimist I'm wondering if reddish discoloration in the waist area mightn't possibly be innocently explained if she's just gotten out of clothes that had a waistband that was a bit too tight. I get that a lot (but I'm a bit more rounded than she is). It doesn't look like a waistband the way it seems to go up in the back though. It's like a rope tied twice around
    I wondered about the waistband thing too.
    (happens to me as well)

    Since she is in a bikini, maybe she had a towel wrapped tightly around her midsection prior to having her photo taken? Or some kind of jewelry chain/belt/type thingy?
    It is the nature of the truth to struggle to the light.

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    The marks on her body seem like the same type of marks someone gets when they are bound to a chair and struggle to get free.



    The way the girl is bound above would show marks where the blonde girl has them, including the rope going higher up towards the back.



    The entire photo in negative, does it look like shes bruised on her lower legs?

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    Her expression makes me wonder if perhaps she has just woken up and is still a bit groggy. That would also explain why the room is so dark except for the flash or whatever light source was used for the picture, it's night time and the room lights are off and the curtains are drawn/shades down. Perhaps the red marks are from sleeping on something that was putting pressure on her. I've gotten similar marks from having my weight laying on a fold in my sheet or blanket.

    Regarding the aluminum foil on the table. Perhaps it held a sandwich. I've gotten deli sandwiches that were wrapped in foil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bargle View Post
    Her expression makes me wonder if perhaps she has just woken up and is still a bit groggy. That would also explain why the room is so dark except for the flash or whatever light source was used for the picture, it's night time and the room lights are off and the curtains are drawn/shades down. Perhaps the red marks are from sleeping on something that was putting pressure on her. I've gotten similar marks from having my weight laying on a fold in my sheet or blanket.

    Regarding the aluminum foil on the table. Perhaps it held a sandwich. I've gotten deli sandwiches that were wrapped in foil.
    I could be mistaken but I think I recall reading a story where the police said that he would get the victims high with weed so she could just be stoned.

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    Re: bound to a chair: That could mean she's an exotic dancer, like the two topless or naked women in the red club photos. A number of Greenwich clubs used to be (still are, for that matter) famous for that style of bondage dance. If she just got off shift, she might still be scuffed and bruised from the dancing. Or she might have done a private show for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by punklove View Post
    I could be mistaken but I think I recall reading a story where the police said that he would get the victims high with weed so she could just be stoned.
    Also a possibility. That's why I try to not be too dogmatic about anything in the pictures. Too many possibilities.

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    However she got the mark, it looks like a scratch. Think it is too light to be from being mishandled by him. The bruise on her leg looks more serious to me.


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    The "bruise" on her leg is consistent with the shape of toned muscle. That is the bottom of a muscle right there - I think it is just a shadow.

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    I was trying to fix it so I could see it better. It's a shame the photo hanging on the wall isn't more clear.


    I agree this isn't the same apartment from the other photos, and by the holes in the shades, it looks like it might have been a bright, sunny day. Could be that he met this girl down at the pool and she let him come up to her apartment to smoke some pot or something. We may need to look for a woman who was murdered in her own apartment.

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    Since the 2 bottles in the background seem to be of the same shape, size, color I was thinking they might be salt/pepper shakers. They REALLY look like salt/pepper shakers in the negative punklove posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacegirl View Post
    Since the 2 bottles in the background seem to be of the same shape, size, color I was thinking they might be salt/pepper shakers. They REALLY look like salt/pepper shakers in the negative punklove posted.
    They'd be really large for salt/pepper shakers. Pepper mills were not common in the 70's.

    I thought they looked like a pair of ceramic candleholders. The foil wrapped around the bottom of one is probably to keep the wax from falling on the furniture.

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    Something I have just noticed is there is another picture of another girl that shows a bookcase that goes all the way to the ceiling, like we have in this picture. A bookcase that tall is unusual and I would tend to believe they were taken in the same apartment. It is not the same bookcase, it would have to be on an opposite wall.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...323273/97.html

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