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    Thanks for checking this out. I knew it looked odd. I couldn't figure out how someone could contort their body that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twiggles View Post
    Thanks for checking this out. I knew it looked odd. I couldn't figure out how someone could contort their body that way.
    You're welcome twiggles. Just another bit of input on such a huge bizarre puzzle. It would be nice if LE would at least make public the ones that have been identified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...pg?w=378&h=354

    FWIW, I showed this photo to a gymnastic instructor. She said the following:
    The pose illustration shows the lower leg and toe pointing downward which is the classic dance pose. However, the "Helmet" girl's leg is a straight on shot and you can see the rounded beginning of the hip area, meaning there is no way a person could contort into this pose. Note the frontal position of the leg. Her conclusion was that there is another girl in the photo, on her side, facing the camera, doing a side leg lift.
    Feel free to check this out. Not sure who it could be with her, but looking at the brushy location, it could be someone from other photos.
    I bow to the instructor's superior knowledge.
    Now we have the mystery of who the second girl is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bargle View Post
    I bow to the instructor's superior knowledge.
    Now we have the mystery of who the second girl is.
    So do I, Bargle. I find it very helpful and time saving to check with people in their particular area of expertise when doing research. Now I am hoping someone will identify the tree in several of the photos to determine if the same location. Looking at the man hanging upside down, it appears there are wild hackberry bushes, but then that is only a guess based on memory. I feel certain someone here is very knowledgeable of the foliage in those pics.

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    I don't know of course but ... no one could make that pose while healthy. Did you manage to find out if the limb had been disarticulated - could someone make that pose then? Obviously it'd be impossibly painful but Alcala wouldn't care about that. My gut feeling says that it'd still be too much but it'd be good to know if there has to be a second person there.

    Something even worse but not likely has occurred to me - if she's dead she could be dismembered and then posed. Disgusting but I can't rule it out. I think it's more likely that there's a second person out of frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...pg?w=378&h=354

    FWIW, I showed this photo to a gymnastic instructor. She said the following:
    The pose illustration shows the lower leg and toe pointing downward which is the classic dance pose. However, the "Helmet" girl's leg is a straight on shot and you can see the rounded beginning of the hip area, meaning there is no way a person could contort into this pose. Note the frontal position of the leg. Her conclusion was that there is another girl in the photo, on her side, facing the camera, doing a side leg lift.
    Feel free to check this out. Not sure who it could be with her, but looking at the brushy location, it could be someone from other photos.
    Thank you so very much. I had originally said "There is no way in Holy h*ll a person can contort their body like that".

    In all honesty I think her head isn't right either. I've seen people do an over the shoulder pose plenty of times, but this poor souls head is not right.

    I also think this may be ther person doing the handstand I thought was male.

    I don't believe the necklace is a necklace back in those necklace photos on this thread. I believe this is how this nutter strangled them and then would revive the women. I don't think any of the women posed like this in the wild were alive in these photographs. I don't think she is high I believe she is passed definately the girl with the leg pose. Also I think we can see blood pooling at closer inspection in the extremeties.

    Also the girl with her hands posed over her head? Could she be hanging upside down? I don't think so as the trees are also going the correct way. Can a person pose a deceased body like that after rigor mortis leaves? I think it's you're only in rigor mortis for several hours?

    This guy is a monster. It's all really disturbing. I pray for these women. I pray they were high before he did this, and couldn't even begin to fathom..........

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    Another thing I just noticed when I enlarged pic #2 was a black strap hanging down from maybe the helmet ? which runs along her right arm. Not sure what that is. Does anyone else see that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymro View Post
    I don't know of course but ... no one could make that pose while healthy. Did you manage to find out if the limb had been disarticulated - could someone make that pose then? Obviously it'd be impossibly painful but Alcala wouldn't care about that. My gut feeling says that it'd still be too much but it'd be good to know if there has to be a second person there.

    Something even worse but not likely has occurred to me - if she's dead she could be dismembered and then posed. Disgusting but I can't rule it out. I think it's more likely that there's a second person out of frame.
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    Cymro,
    As I do not have any knowledge of dance or gymnastic moves, I did ask this question and after the "rounded" area on the side of the upper leg was explained, I understood it could not be. Perhaps others here know of someone they could ask and we could have another opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    Thank you so very much. I had originally said "There is no way in Holy h*ll a person can contort their body like that".

    In all honesty I think her head isn't right either. I've seen people do an over the shoulder pose plenty of times, but this poor souls head is not right.

    I also think this may be ther person doing the handstand I thought was male.

    I don't believe the necklace is a necklace back in those necklace photos on this thread. I believe this is how this nutter strangled them and then would revive the women. I don't think any of the women posed like this in the wild were alive in these photographs. I don't think she is high I believe she is passed definately the girl with the leg pose. Also I think we can see blood pooling at closer inspection in the extremeties.

    Also the girl with her hands posed over her head? Could she be hanging upside down? I don't think so as the trees are also going the correct way. Can a person pose a deceased body like that after rigor mortis leaves? I think it's you're only in rigor mortis for several hours?

    This guy is a monster. It's all really disturbing. I pray for these women. I pray they were high before he did this, and couldn't even begin to fathom..........
    Yes her head does look strange. Not sure what is going on there. As to the necklace I was wondering if this was some type of garrote but I have someone who loves vintage jewelry doing some research. If you want to pursue this, I would think searching "vintage" 60's choker necklaces might be a good place to start.
    I am still working on my photo software so I cannot get a better look at the area you refer to on the possible blood pooling. Could you point out a specific place? I am just speculating here, but am leaning to the possibility this is the same area as the girl in the red shorts was photographed. However, there is a bruise on the right leg of that girl that does not show up on this pic with the 'leg lift'.
    Any ideas?
    Now to the necklace (lack of better description). I will not claim any professional knowledge here but do a lot of photo comparison work and it is my opinion the photo of the girl with her hands in the air - she is in motion in this frame. Note the upward swing of not only the 'necklace, but her hair as well. One can only imagine what she may be doing 'in motion' but these photos have been described as "sexually suggestive". I think that is evident by the amount of cropping. But am positive, the girl is in motion as in moving upward.
    Just random thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twiggles View Post
    Another thing I just noticed when I enlarged pic #2 was a black strap hanging down from maybe the helmet ? which runs along her right arm. Not sure what that is. Does anyone else see that?
    It's part of the helmet strap. She has it unhooked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Yes her head does look strange. Not sure what is going on there. As to the necklace I was wondering if this was some type of garrote but I have someone who loves vintage jewelry doing some research. If you want to pursue this, I would think searching "vintage" 60's choker necklaces might be a good place to start.
    I am still working on my photo software so I cannot get a better look at the area you refer to on the possible blood pooling. Could you point out a specific place? I am just speculating here, but am leaning to the possibility this is the same area as the girl in the red shorts was photographed. However, there is a bruise on the right leg of that girl that does not show up on this pic with the 'leg lift'.
    Any ideas?
    Now to the necklace (lack of better description). I will not claim any professional knowledge here but do a lot of photo comparison work and it is my opinion the photo of the girl with her hands in the air - she is in motion in this frame. Note the upward swing of not only the 'necklace, but her hair as well. One can only imagine what she may be doing 'in motion' but these photos have been described as "sexually suggestive". I think that is evident by the amount of cropping. But am positive, the girl is in motion as in moving upward.
    Just random thoughts.
    Again thank you so much, Mensch.

    When Jessnlill gets on to post perhaps they will be able to help me zoom in to where I believe to see the blood pooling. Jess is great at manipulating the photographs.

    Good lookout on the motion in the frame. In my mind I always look for "motion blur", and that's not correct. Obviously.

    Not to add more to the game, but I also believe this girl at link is perhaps in the same area being photographed. Something is up with the film speed or maybe he did it on purpose? However, this girl is bruised on her knee. Odder still is he has her posed with finger under chin and as she points to her arm her finger on her arm is distinctly covering a bruise. We'd also made note prior to swelling in this girl's ankles.

    The poor horribly posed woman though I don't need the photo blown up to see that nasty bruise across her knee. I absolutely believe he purposely hit these women in ther feet, knees and ankles in case they tried to run.

    Thank you again for your insight. I will check out those necklaces as well.



    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00641.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    You're welcome twiggles. Just another bit of input on such a huge bizarre puzzle. It would be nice if LE would at least make public the ones that have been identified.

    Thank you for the info Mensch and I agree with you about LE making public the people that have been identified. I look at all of their faces and am so curious if they are alive today or not. Alcala is indeed a truly evil person and I am glad he will never get out of prison again.

    It's so sad how one minute your life is fine and then the next you are in the face of a monster that changes everything. I know there must be an extra hot place in h*ll for people like him.

    My mama's sister was murdered in 1976 and it totally devestated our family, especially my grandmother. She is passed away now but the years of depression and sadness she went through was beyond belief. I even have pictures of her before the murder and years after the murder and you can see the pain etched all in her face, her eyes hollow, a look of total despair.

    The only good news was that the man was caught within a day or two. My aunt had stopped by a small bar & grill to cash her paycheck and when she came outside, he was waiting in the bushes and hit her over the head with a steel pipe. She went into a coma and we finally had to take her off life support. He got life and some years back he died. To this day, I wonder if he ever felt any remorse.

    I think that because of what happened to my aunt, that has made me more curious as to why people can be so evil and hurt others. People like this guy, Alcala for instance. What caused him to have no regard for human life, was he born evil or did he become this way through circumstances?

    Anyhow, I am talking too much..lol. Thanks for listening and back to the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    When Jessnlill gets on to post perhaps they will be able to help me zoom in to where I believe to see the blood pooling. Jess is great at manipulating the photographs.
    Thanks Filly!

    Been fighting a headache all day so my brain's not processing things very well right now and I'm not sure what specific photo you're referencing when you mention blood pooling.

    I'll do my best to help in any way I can!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessunlil View Post
    Thanks Filly!

    Been fighting a headache all day so my brain's not processing things very well right now and I'm not sure what specific photo you're referencing when you mention blood pooling.

    I'll do my best to help in any way I can!
    Feel better, Jess. Those headaches that won't quit are the absolute worse.

    Don't even mind it for now. Just feel better.

    BTW, I was searching all the tassel necklaces. There are so many. Mensch was sure right there.

    Also the tassels on the end of like blind cords I found looks similar as well. I thought of that as I know they can choke someone. God forbid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    Again thank you so much, Mensch.

    When Jessnlill gets on to post perhaps they will be able to help me zoom in to where I believe to see the blood pooling. Jess is great at manipulating the photographs.

    Good lookout on the motion in the frame. In my mind I always look for "motion blur", and that's not correct. Obviously.

    Not to add more to the game, but I also believe this girl at link is perhaps in the same area being photographed. Something is up with the film speed or maybe he did it on purpose? However, this girl is bruised on her knee. Odder still is he has her posed with finger under chin and as she points to her arm her finger on her arm is distinctly covering a bruise. We'd also made note prior to swelling in this girl's ankles.

    The poor horribly posed woman though I don't need the photo blown up to see that nasty bruise across her knee. I absolutely believe he purposely hit these women in ther feet, knees and ankles in case they tried to run.

    Thank you again for your insight. I will check out those necklaces as well.



    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00641.jpg
    Thanks for posting the link Filly. This is the girl I referred to in the post but she has a bruise on the same leg showing in the forefront of the other photo that does not show one. I believe there were several persons at that spot. I think you are correct in that this is one location for both girls.

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