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  1. #91
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    There is a little information in the article I haven't read before. There is one error I noticed. The reporter states he was living in New York when Ellen Hoover was killed but our timeline from a previous OCRegister article says he was vacationing and visiting relatives in New York during this time. I don't think he ever actually lived in New York after his release from parole in Monterey Park, CA in June 1977.

    http://www.ocregister.com/news/alcal...cs=1#graphics1

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildHuncher View Post
    But now I'm getting the hopeful idea her pictures may be a modeling session referred to in newspaper accounts as taking place shortly after Ellen Hover's disappearance and very near where her body was eventually found. That person lived to tell the tale. For all the news stories say, she may have been just fine for it all. Here's a typical one.
    http://articles.ocregister.com/2010-...ege-godfathers

    In this particular instance, Alcala would be getting his perverted jollies from knowing Ellen Hover's decomposing remains were right nearby even as this other potential victim--a potential he decided not to realize--was innocently dancing and posing away right in front of him. (EEEeeew!)

    Really creepy, yes. But my heart has gone out to dancer girl and I would probably wet a shirtsleeve or two with happiness if she's OK. (I'm a guy but, like the new House Speaker, I can mist up sometimes.)
    I would be so happy to hear she's alive. I would love to hear her story. I hope she kept on with her dancing. Yap I could see RA getting excited about someone dancing over a decomposing body.

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    The image posted earlier and said no way anyone can bend like that.. I was a dancer/ballerina most my life my step mother was a teacher that is an Arabesque, your gymnast is incorrect the knee should be turned to outward (not down as stated) just as your helmet girl has it as well as her point, this image looks perfectly normal to me.. other than maybe a little 'high'
    Yes we did wear necklaces like that in the 70's and many time one end was a roach clip and that is how we fastened them behind.

    here is a picture for reference of a Arabesque
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabesq...llet_position)

    Believe me I could bend in postions you wouldn't think possible she looks to be what we called double jointed in the image with her arms over her head

    I would agree the lay of the land looks a lot like "Rockefeller Preserve" Westchester lets hope she is one that got to walk out of there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paschein View Post
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    I would agree the lay of the land looks a lot like "Rockefeller Preserve" Westchester lets hope she is one that got to walk out of there..
    This girl is NOT one of several lately flagged as "identified," which should be true of the Alcala model who talked with police after Hover's body was found.

    But maybe that's an oversight. Or maybe the police have lost contact with that witness and don't know now if these pictures are of her? It's hard to guess what's going on.

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    I've been looking at something since late last year, trying to decide if it's anything. I had at first assumed the two pictures below were taken within seconds of each other. Toss the head right, toss the head left. The lighting seems the same, the background is only slightly shifted, and the poses are almost identical.



    But the one on the left bothered me in a way the one on the right didn't. Blow it up, you get this.



    Add some brightness and you get this.



    No, I really don't know if it's anything. But it makes me think of the head hair on hanger-backbender that doesn't drape under gravity, that looks stuck to something.

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    Bumping up for possible new interest.
    My book, More Than Just A Pretty Face, about the unidentified photos of Rodney Alcala, will be published in 2017. Please visit and join my Facebook group to get all of the most recent information.





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    Quote Originally Posted by WildHuncher View Post

    Add some brightness and you get this.



    No, I really don't know if it's anything. But it makes me think of the head hair on hanger-backbender that doesn't drape under gravity, that looks stuck to something.
    SBM-

    Looks like she's bleeding out of her left eye socket quite badly and it's streaming down her face towards her nose. ETA, actually she has a massive head wound on her forehead under that hair. Holy cow. WTF.

    How "funny" that he puts her in a helmet but then takes her to the woods and finishes her off with a head injury. By the look of it.

    ETA: here I put a circle around the wound in the so helpfully lightened version quoted above:

    Last edited by GGE; 06-06-2013 at 10:25 AM.

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    So many dead picture links... so I'm going to try to post a bunch of this girl here in one spot for future reference -






    (Cropped arabesque pic)






    (where did the forward motion of the hair come from, I wonder?)
    (there's no underarm hair so this can't be backbend person... but then again.. are her pits both red in spots like from razor burn?)


    (Where'd her necklace go, and what's up with her forehead above her right (our left) eye?)
    (looks like she's falling backwards and he caught that moment. And why is she suddenly like RIGHT in the trees? And is it me or is there DARK bruising around the neck where the necklace used to be?)

    I think that's all of them. I'll try to find uncropped versions, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGE View Post
    (Where'd her necklace go, and what's up with her forehead above her right (our left) eye?)

    I think that's all of them. I'll try to find uncropped versions, too.

    ETA: she has no underarm hair - she's not backbend person.
    The necklace and the underarm hair are there but motion-blurred to near-invisibility. I think a flyaway strand of hair has come down over her eye in the picture.

    Discussion and some bigger blowups here:

    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Person doing a backbend or hanging upside down in dense foliage
    Last edited by KateB; 04-04-2015 at 02:16 AM. Reason: repair url tag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildHuncher View Post
    I realize this place could be almost anywhere in the East if not the world, but he's known to have taken two women to the Rockefeller Estate/Preserve/Park in NY State. One of them even came back.

    An image Google:

    http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&s...w=1020&bih=567
    Just rechecked and the Google above now includes some pics from this guaranteed unrelated photo shoot on the Rockefeller preserve of a balerina. Many of the pictures present a similar look. Doesn't prove a thing ... but remember we KNOW he went there and took women there.

    http://toddshapera.photoshelter.com/...000OHXe2IaV7Rc


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    Lisa Thomas murdered 700 metres from her home. Found in bushland. October 7th 1974 Rockland New York. Less then 2 weeks before he was arrested for parole violation.
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    She has plausible-looking hair in some pictures. She was a 15 yo girl who went walking to a mall and was found dead in the woods the next morning by her father.

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09/...ghters-murder/

    Alcala had a habit of going to NY, but so far as we know he was in California then. The helmet and motorcyle don't work. (But maybe they're his?) I would put Helmet Girl older. She's done some ballet and knows her way around a motorcycle. Probably not Lisa.

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