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  1. #16
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    Didn't the girl in shorts (the picture where the colors were all strange) have a bruise in a similar place on her leg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reasypeasy View Post
    Didn't the girl in shorts (the picture where the colors were all strange) have a bruise in a similar place on her leg?
    The girl in the engineer shorts (blue and white stripes) in the pic that looks like it has been taken through a red filter has very ugly bruising on both legs. Her right leg has two round marks the size of fists and her left leg has a band of bruising that is quite a few inches long and at least an inch wide. She also has a left ankle that is so swollen looking that it is hard to discern an ankle bone but when I see that same ankle in her other pic it looks normal, so idk. Maybe it was just the way she was standing. (From memory here, apologies if slightly off.) And that is one of two pic's where I believe the subject has writing on her arm, perhaps it says "Alcala" or something. I can see it but can't read it. She is pointing to it even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsntslp View Post
    The girl in the engineer shorts (blue and white stripes) in the pic that looks like it has been taken through a red filter has very ugly bruising on both legs. Her right leg has two round marks the size of fists and her left leg has a band of bruising that is quite a few inches long and at least an inch wide. She also has a left ankle that is so swollen looking that it is hard to discern an ankle bone but when I see that same ankle in her other pic it looks normal, so idk. Maybe it was just the way she was standing. (From memory here, apologies if slightly off.) And that is one of two pic's where I believe the subject has writing on her arm, perhaps it says "Alcala" or something. I can see it but can't read it. She is pointing to it even.
    Which photo are you referring to? Can you link it please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    Which photo are you referring to? Can you link it please?
    Here it is:

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00641.jpg

    This is the possible match to Dorothy Clitheroe missing from Phoenix. You can see the bruise on the right leg above the knee and possible bruising on the left leg. I don't see any writing on her arm except something that looks like the letter "D". She's pointing to it. According to her Charley Project page, one of Dorothy's forearms was scarred due to her backing into a hot radiator and the name "US Steel" was imprinted into her skin, but most of it was gone by 1973. The letter "U" might have been the only one still showing. Could what looks like a "D" in the pic actually be a "U"?

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...e_dorothy.html

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    I think it could be a "U" also. If she backed into the radiator kind of sideways and the fron of her arm hit it, the "U" would be facing with the curved part pointing to her wrist. With her arm lifted the way it is, the "U" is in that position. I think this is very possible. Good find.

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    Alcala photo/Dorothy Clitheroe

    side by side:


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    Here it is:

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00641.jpg

    This is the possible match to Dorothy Clitheroe missing from Phoenix. You can see the bruise on the right leg above the knee and possible bruising on the left leg. I don't see any writing on her arm except something that looks like the letter "D". She's pointing to it. According to her Charley Project page, one of Dorothy's forearms was scarred due to her backing into a hot radiator and the name "US Steel" was imprinted into her skin, but most of it was gone by 1973. The letter "U" might have been the only one still showing. Could what looks like a "D" in the pic actually be a "U"?

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...e_dorothy.html
    Thanks. I thought they were red and white striped, so I was looking all over for blue and white striped and couldn't figure out who you were talking about. LOL now I see the lens probably made them red. I have thought all along this looks just like Dorothy, if not, it's her twin. I wonder if she's one of the ones their investigating from AZ, I wish they'd say who they're checking out already and take the ones that have called in off the grid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scuseme View Post
    I think it could be a "U" also. If she backed into the radiator kind of sideways and the fron of her arm hit it, the "U" would be facing with the curved part pointing to her wrist. With her arm lifted the way it is, the "U" is in that position. I think this is very possible. Good find.
    I just had a horrible thought. Is it possible he had already threatened and/or beat her before taking her to some deserted location to shoot these photos? Did she have a premontion that she might not come out of this safely and wanted someone to identify her photo by the "U" imprinted on her forearm?

    Or am I just reading too much into all this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    I just had a horrible thought. Is it possible he had already threatened and/or beat her before taking her to some deserted location to shoot these photos? Did she have a premontion that she might not come out of this safely and wanted someone to identify her photo by the "U" imprinted on her forearm?

    Or am I just reading too much into all this?
    Her smile strikes me as pretty genuine. Think she might look more scared if she had just been threatened and beaten and thought that she could end up badly and need identification? If it's Clitheroe she might be pointing at the marking as a "Clumsy me, look what I've got here, I can laugh about it now but let me tell you it hurt like hello when I got it" sort of thing. Not that it matters if it's somebody Alcala killed, she'd have become scared eventually...

    She's pointing at her chin too, did she have anything there or is it just a cute pose?

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    Very good observations on the writing/markings on what could be the Clitheroe girl.
    I can tell you this, "back in the day" when I was a runaway I kept my ss# written on the bottom of my foot with black permanent marker, along with all kinds of other strange things to try and be sure if I disappeared I might be identified. Strange how we think at 14 years of age. It rarely occurred to me I would not be found in time to still have flesh... My trivia for the day, just trying to show you that yes she may very well be thinking like that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    I just had a horrible thought. Is it possible he had already threatened and/or beat her before taking her to some deserted location to shoot these photos? Did she have a premontion that she might not come out of this safely and wanted someone to identify her photo by the "U" imprinted on her forearm?
    The woman in this picture is smiling and looks playful. If she thought she was about to die, I can't imagine she would have a lighthearted expression. She would be in survival mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrinka View Post
    The woman in this picture is smiling and looks playful. If she thought she was about to die, I can't imagine she would have a lighthearted expression. She would be in survival mode.
    Not if she thinks she is giving him what he wants and it buys her time to come up with an idea, IMO.

    Another thought might be if Alcala had asked her to point to any scars she had.

    I see him as knowing how to manipulate them and the situation, orchestrate might be the word. I think he did a lot of it just to capture the different emotions and responses on film. They were mere puppets to him and he liked to be in charge and make them dance at his whim. When the dance was over he killed them and needed a new puppet. Very sick. All just my opinion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsntslp View Post
    The girl in the engineer shorts (blue and white stripes) in the pic that looks like it has been taken through a red filter has very ugly bruising on both legs. Her right leg has two round marks the size of fists and her left leg has a band of bruising that is quite a few inches long and at least an inch wide. She also has a left ankle that is so swollen looking that it is hard to discern an ankle bone but when I see that same ankle in her other pic it looks normal, so idk. Maybe it was just the way she was standing. (From memory here, apologies if slightly off.) And that is one of two pic's where I believe the subject has writing on her arm, perhaps it says "Alcala" or something. I can see it but can't read it. She is pointing to it even.
    Your post got me to look again at this pic and that's when I finally saw the writing. I had looked at this picture many times but not in the larger size.
    I've got the Nancy Grace site bookmarked now!

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    Did anyone call this in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Did anyone call this in?
    Yes, "tut med" did and so did I. There are also news reports that Phoenix authorities are looking into a case there matching a photo. I would guess it's Dorothy.

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