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  1. #46
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    Did someone submit this as Dorothy Clitheroe and did you hear anything back?

    Okay I see now tutmed and joefromLB both submitted this, did either of you get a response?
    Last edited by Billylee; 04-24-2010 at 12:35 PM.

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    I bet this turns out to be a match. The pictures really look like the same girl. I hope you all hear back if it is or not.

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    Just bumping

    :>)

    Anyone hear anything on this? Measuring in snail time here, some things take waaaay longer than we think they should.

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    Question

    How do they know if it is her or not? If I'm not mistaken, she is a missing child, right? So, they do not have a body or DNA. And this child has been missing since 1973? That's 37 years. Her parents are easily in their 70s or 80s now. Do they show the photos to her siblings or parents and ask if it looks like her? How do they determine if it's a match or not? I'm just trying to get a feel for the process.

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    One of the more recent articles stated she was not a match. It is an amazing coincidence though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    One of the more recent articles stated she was not a match. It is an amazing coincidence though.
    Can you link that article? I haven't seen anything on Dorothy Clitheroe being ruled out as a match, only Cherry Greenman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    Can you link that article? I haven't seen anything on Dorothy Clitheroe being ruled out as a match, only Cherry Greenman.
    Yeah, it seemed like there was such silence about the Clitheroe submissions that there might be something to it. But maybe it didn't pan out.

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    Here's the Greenman article:
    http://www.crimenews2000.com/news.php?extend.2520

    King County Sheriff's Sgt. John Urquhart said a tipster reported that one of the photos taken from Alcala looked like Cherry Greenman, who was last seen leaving a jail in 1976. But after receiving a better copy of the photo and showing it to the family, investigators concluded it was not her, he said.

    So no word on Dorothy C...as of yet...unless I missed it somewhere
    M O O, as per usual

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandi View Post
    Here's the Greenman article:
    http://www.crimenews2000.com/news.php?extend.2520

    King County Sheriff's Sgt. John Urquhart said a tipster reported that one of the photos taken from Alcala looked like Cherry Greenman, who was last seen leaving a jail in 1976. But after receiving a better copy of the photo and showing it to the family, investigators concluded it was not her, he said.

    So no word on Dorothy C...as of yet...unless I missed it somewhere
    That'd be news to me also.
    Still amazing to me that the PD actually is finally "asking" for public help and then gives no response! I realize that after freakin' holding on to these photos for for some 31 years, it just might be a wee bit tough for LE to find relatives of the people that have been proposed as a match, but for cryin' out loud, why can't they at least respond to the people who submit the match, that it is at least being looked into. Shoot, (and I'm being nice) they could at least send a freakin' form letter!
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    WI - Possible Suzanne Marie Schultz Photo's - Dec. 1978

    These photo's that resemble Suzanne Schultz were found by police in serial killer Rodney Alcala's storage unit.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/feature?...ews&id=7398111

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1182dfwi.html
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    Schultz contacted her family on July 29, 1979 from Tampa, Florida, where she was believed to be staying with a male companion. She said that she would be returning home, but she failed to do so.
    The vehicle in which she was traveling was later found abandoned in Chicago, Illinois.

    Alcala was arrested July 24, 1979 in CA and has been incarcerated ever since.

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    Not her. Schultz has small earlobes, attached. The young woman in the picture has rather large unattached earlobes.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alknon View Post
    These photo's that resemble Suzanne Schultz were found by police in serial killer Rodney Alcala's storage unit.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/feature?...ews&id=7398111

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1182dfwi.html

    Not even close, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsntslp View Post
    The girl in the engineer shorts (blue and white stripes) in the pic that looks like it has been taken through a red filter has very ugly bruising on both legs. Her right leg has two round marks the size of fists and her left leg has a band of bruising that is quite a few inches long and at least an inch wide. She also has a left ankle that is so swollen looking that it is hard to discern an ankle bone but when I see that same ankle in her other pic it looks normal, so idk. Maybe it was just the way she was standing. (From memory here, apologies if slightly off.) And that is one of two pic's where I believe the subject has writing on her arm, perhaps it says "Alcala" or something. I can see it but can't read it. She is pointing to it even.
    Here is a link to a post about a skeleton found in New Mexico, that has a skeletal formation of the ankle associated with habitually walking pigeon toed. Sort of makes me wonder whether maybe that is what was happening for engineer shorts girl here? I'm linking it here and linking this there so that people reading either thread can consider it.

    NM NM - Unidentified Female Case # 696UFNM - AMW case link - Oct. 1995 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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    Very good likeness there!

    But I do see a few small differences. There are some very small things that could be explained away given the passage of a few years after that school photo.

    The fold of her upper eyelid can be seen all the way across her eyes in the Alcala pictures. Can't see that same detail in the school picture.

    The spaces between the bridge of her nose and the inner eye, isn't nearly as full as it is in her school picture.

    Her lower eye fold or puffiness under eyes are also much fuller in the School pictures.

    The inner edge of her eyebrows have more hair extending towards the middle of her face in the School pictures, but I can see in the Clitheroe picture with her glasses, that area has been plucked. The area looks like it has been plucked recently (in the last week or so) in the Alcala pictures, meaning no regrowth that I can see. So if she was a runaway living on the streets, she had to have some access to tweezers and grooming. I wonder if Alcala provided this for her and his other victims. High unlikely, just a thought.

    I think she also has plucked her eyebrows going toward the side of her face, making them look thinner and not as down curved as they are in her school photo.

    In the school picture her chin is also a bit pointier than the Alcala picture. It could be just the frozen tense smile we all had for school photos that make it look different, though.

    Just by the loss of fullness of her eye areas, while her face doesn't look "thinner" I think those pictures were probably taken a year or two after she disappeared. We tend to lose some of that youthful fullness (especially around the eye areas) in our later teens. I'm sure being a runaway in stressful conditions could speed up that process, though.

    The rest of her facial dimensions seem to match, in my inexperienced opinion!

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