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    Desert pictures

    Some of those dusty sagebrush photos with the junk cars in the background look like South Pass, Wyoming, though I suppose they could be anywhere in the dry part of the mountain West.

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    Last one for tonight. I think these three go together, though I don't have any suggestion as to who the two women might be. The background looks very much like a place I visited in Wyoming years ago, but I can't find a picture of it anywhere.

    There are a couple of women missing from that area in the right time frame. Carlene Brown and Christy Gross, both 19 at the time, went missing from a rodeo in Rawlins in 1974. Christy's body was found a few miles away almost 10 years later; Carlene has never been found. I couldn't find a picture of Christy anywhere, but I'm attaching Carlene.
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    As y'all are looking, remember that the east side of California is mostly desert. There are many many desert areas near the Los Angeles basin if you go east, without ever hitting Las Vegas. Those desert shots could be the Yucca Valley area just as easily as they could be taken in Vegas. I'd hate anyone to overlook the California database because they are taken in the desert.

    I've reviewed many of the pics since I know a lot of people in California, but I can't seem to get them all to continue loading from the media site. Is there another link to try? TIA.

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    Thank you, Kimster... I was going to say the same thing- the lower eastern part of Southern California is mostly desert, just like in the pictures.

    The desert backgrounds could be in Death Valley, Joshua Tree, 29 Palms, Palm Springs, even Barstow, and their surrounding areas.
    .... ....... My posts are my opinion, only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smart blonde View Post
    Thank you, Kimster... I was going to say the same thing- the lower eastern part of Southern California is mostly desert, just like in the pictures.

    The desert backgrounds could be in Death Valley, Joshua Tree, 29 Palms, Palm Springs, even Barstow, and their surrounding areas.
    Yes, good point, it certainly could be, but the vegetation's often different, and California desert tends to be more rugged, less flat. Also tend to be more tan or beige and less of the stark alkali-laden white. I don't think any of the pictures have enough detail to make a positive identification. We should look for women missing from any desert area, even down into Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Last one for tonight. I think these three go together, though I don't have any suggestion as to who the two women might be. The background looks very much like a place I visited in Wyoming years ago, but I can't find a picture of it anywhere.

    There are a couple of women missing from that area in the right time frame. Carlene Brown and Christy Gross, both 19 at the time, went missing from a rodeo in Rawlins in 1974. Christy's body was found a few miles away almost 10 years later; Carlene has never been found. I couldn't find a picture of Christy anywhere, but I'm attaching Carlene.
    The woman sitting on the ground looks like Carlene.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2217dfwy.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    The woman sitting on the ground looks like Carlene.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2217dfwy.html

    She's wearing a San Diego State University shirt which can be seen more clearly in this photo (click for larger size):

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00083.jpg


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    closer view of possible Carlene Brown match

    I wanted to get a better side-by-side comparison. The image on the right is the only picture of Carlene Brown I could find, and believe me, I've searched around a lot.
    I'd like to know if she was attending San Diego State at the time. It would also be nice to have a picture of her friend Christy Gross, who vanished with her on July 4, 1974 and whose body was found nine years later. There is almost nothing about her on the Web, not even a description.

    I know the timeline is a problem, since Alcala may still have been in prison in July of '74, but the similarities in appearance are striking.

    Here is the Nancy Grace link which can be enlarged:
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00661.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    She's wearing a San Diego State University shirt which can be seen more clearly in this photo (click for larger size):

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00083.jpg

    Very good. Thank you. That makes it unlikely that this road is in Wyoming

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    I wanted to get a better side-by-side comparison. The image on the right is the only picture of Carlene Brown I could find, and believe me, I've searched around a lot.
    I'd like to know if she was attending San Diego State at the time. It would also be nice to have a picture of her friend Christy Gross, who vanished with her on July 4, 1974 and whose body was found nine years later. There is almost nothing about her on the Web, not even a description.

    I know the timeline is a problem, since Alcala may still have been in prison in July of '74, but the similarities in appearance are striking.

    Here is the Nancy Grace link which can be enlarged:
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00661.jpg

    It's shocking how little information there is about those two poor girls. It hadn't occurred to me that she might have been an SDU student.

    Maybe send a pointer to the appropriate Wyoming LE asking them if it's possible?


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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    Very good. Thank you. That makes it unlikely that this road is in Wyoming
    Well, if it really is Carlene Brown, she could have been on summer vacation from SDSU and happened to be in Wyoming on July 4th.

    The timeline is the problem here for an Alcala connection, but that seems to be the problem with several other cases with strong photo matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    Well, if it really is Carlene Brown, she could have been on summer vacation from SDSU and happened to be in Wyoming on July 4th.

    The timeline is the problem here for an Alcala connection, but that seems to be the problem with several other cases with strong photo matches.
    That's true. I had been assuming she was a local girl, but she might well have gone to school at SDSU and been home for the summer.

    San Diego State was a big rodeo school at the time. Since she and Christy disappeared from a major rodeo, she might have been a rodeo fan or participant.

    added: I found this link with a little more information: http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkiller...EO_murders.php

    "The first two victims, Carlene Brown, of Rawlins, and her good friend Christy Gross, of Bowdle, South Dakota, disappeared on Independence Day, while visiting the Little Britches Rodeo in Rawlins." So one local girl, one from out of town, might have met at college? But the timeline still doesn't work out. Gross's body was found only a few miles away; they were almost certainly killed shortly after they disappeared.

    Unless there's some mistake about the date when Alcala was released on parole, however, it doesn't seem possible for him to be the killer. August 3 for parole release, July 4 for disappearance.

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    This photo shows a car and then a few cars in an upper parking lot. Any of you car enthusiasts know what year this car or any others might be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    This photo shows a car and then a few cars in an upper parking lot. Any of you car enthusiasts know what year this car or any others might be?

    I'm on my brother's less than great PC, so I can't enlarge it at the moment, but at first glance it looks alot like a 67 Chevy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    This photo shows a car and then a few cars in an upper parking lot. Any of you car enthusiasts know what year this car or any others might be?
    I'm probably going to sound like a car geek, but here goes.
    On the blue car, the roofline is distinctive. It was only used by GM during the '65 and '66 model years. It was only used on full size 2 door models and even then, as far as I can tell, only on Chevy and Olds models. The trunk lid appears to come to a point and the tail lights look to be set into the end of the fender vertically. That eliminates the Chevys, which were straight across at the trunk and had the tail lights arranged horizontally. Looking at pictures of Olds full sizes for the 2 years, the only ones I found to have the same tail light arrangement were the 1965 Delta 88 and the 1965 Starfire. Links to pics below.
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    http://www.hurricaneimports.com/imag...-65-delta3.jpg

    Starfire
    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/76...68d73e90fa.jpg

    The lime green car in the pic, I think, is a VW Beetle. Hard to certain with the picture so blurry. The other one has so much chopped off, I have no idea.
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