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    While we definitely see some very hot temperatures at the beach, most of the time the beach can be a very cool, if not outright chilly, location. In So CA, we have something called "June Gloom" where most of the days start off with cloud banks covering everything through downtown generally through midday, and often the beaches don't get sunny at all. It's definitely not unheard of to wear a long sleeved top over a bathing suit here for May, June, and likely some of September and October.

    I am familiar with the beaches and deserts of southern Ca, having lived here my entire life. Those steps down to the beach, and the "road" from a parking area down to the surf are fairly common. Just north of Santa Monica the shore gets craggy and cliff-y, and if you drive along Pacific Coast Highway, there are many places that have parking areas and then steps down to a beach.

    The sand itself is too white and too...'beachy'...(sorry, I can't think of a better way to say it) for this to be desert, and the shrubbery is also something which can easily be found at the coastline. The man in one of the photos is wearing swim trunks, covered by a shirt, and the chairs next to the ladies are very common beach chairs; they fold small enough to fit into most car backseats or trunks.

    Alcala was known to frequent the beaches, wasn't he? I mean, Julie J, and lots of beach photos were taken. And he was in Los Angeles at several different points for relatively long stretches of periods.

    I think that these photos were taken probably just north of Santa Monica, in the 20-30 or so mile stretch between SM and Ventura county lines, at the beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herding Cats View Post
    While we definitely see some very hot temperatures at the beach, most of the time the beach can be a very cool, if not outright chilly, location. In So CA, we have something called "June Gloom" where most of the days start off with cloud banks covering everything through downtown generally through midday, and often the beaches don't get sunny at all. It's definitely not unheard of to wear a long sleeved top over a bathing suit here for May, June, and likely some of September and October.

    I am familiar with the beaches and deserts of southern Ca, having lived here my entire life. Those steps down to the beach, and the "road" from a parking area down to the surf are fairly common. Just north of Santa Monica the shore gets craggy and cliff-y, and if you drive along Pacific Coast Highway, there are many places that have parking areas and then steps down to a beach.

    The sand itself is too white and too...'beachy'...(sorry, I can't think of a better way to say it) for this to be desert, and the shrubbery is also something which can easily be found at the coastline. The man in one of the photos is wearing swim trunks, covered by a shirt, and the chairs next to the ladies are very common beach chairs; they fold small enough to fit into most car backseats or trunks.

    Alcala was known to frequent the beaches, wasn't he? I mean, Julie J, and lots of beach photos were taken. And he was in Los Angeles at several different points for relatively long stretches of periods.

    I think that these photos were taken probably just north of Santa Monica, in the 20-30 or so mile stretch between SM and Ventura county lines, at the beach.

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    I know what you mean about the sand being "beachy," but I've seen similar sands at lake and reservoir beaches across the great basin.

    Do you know if any of the Santa Monica/Ventura county beaches were nude beaches in the late 60s and early 70s?

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    Yes, there were definitely nude beaches (and still are, I'll venture to bet). I don't know which ones, though...and I do know a lot of folks didn't care if it was a "nude" beach, and would sunbathe and swim without clothes at the 'normal' beaches (except for well patrolled ones like Santa Monica, for example).

    In doing some research on Alcala, he frequented Huntington Beach on a regular basis; also, Santa Monica and Venice. He was quite familiar with the local boardwalks and where there were women in bikini's rollerskating and hanging out. There was some info I dug up about two women he approached the day before Robin Samsoe was abducted at the same place Samsoe was taken from - Huntington Beach pier (14th street).

    It seems he was able to easily access the beaches in that particular stretch of shore...so I'm pretty sure that the photos here (and of the woman in the blue shirt) were taken at one of the local beaches. We don't have a lot of reservoires, and lakes are few and far between; neither of the lakes I can think of off the top of my head have the sort of sand I see in the photos (Lake Elsinore {which also may tie into Alcala's skydiving} and Castaic Lake).

    I'll see if I can't narrow down some nude beaches for you tomorrow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herding Cats View Post
    Yes, there were definitely nude beaches (and still are, I'll venture to bet). I don't know which ones, though...and I do know a lot of folks didn't care if it was a "nude" beach, and would sunbathe and swim without clothes at the 'normal' beaches (except for well patrolled ones like Santa Monica, for example).

    In doing some research on Alcala, he frequented Huntington Beach on a regular basis; also, Santa Monica and Venice. He was quite familiar with the local boardwalks and where there were women in bikini's rollerskating and hanging out. There was some info I dug up about two women he approached the day before Robin Samsoe was abducted at the same place Samsoe was taken from - Huntington Beach pier (14th street).

    It seems he was able to easily access the beaches in that particular stretch of shore...so I'm pretty sure that the photos here (and of the woman in the blue shirt) were taken at one of the local beaches. We don't have a lot of reservoires, and lakes are few and far between; neither of the lakes I can think of off the top of my head have the sort of sand I see in the photos (Lake Elsinore {which also may tie into Alcala's skydiving} and Castaic Lake).

    I'll see if I can't narrow down some nude beaches for you tomorrow...

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    I thought of nude beaches because at least two of the women (the ones with the musical instruments) appear to be nude at the beach...

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    I've been able to verify that there were at least two nude beaches in the 70s - Malibu, and Venice. However, in the 90s (I believe), nudity at beaches in Los Angeles was outlawed. There are many coves and secluded beaches where nudity still continues (at least, topless) without harassment from the Sheriff's office, but they are not the main, "popular" beaches of the Los Angeles area.

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    I would imagine that a photographer at a nude beach would not be too popular. Maybe that's why the woman with the musical instrument was frowning.

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    I too thought this looked like a beach area. HOWEVER, here's what I cannot find. A path that goes to a beach with "cement" or "concrete" slabs. Most all the beach paths I've googled up are made of sand compressed within a board (like a RR tie). I think the cement/concrete/rock slab steps are a clue to figuring out where this is, but I've had zero luck trying to find such a place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    I too thought this looked like a beach area. HOWEVER, here's what I cannot find. A path that goes to a beach with "cement" or "concrete" slabs. Most all the beach paths I've googled up are made of sand compressed within a board (like a RR tie). I think the cement/concrete/rock slab steps are a clue to figuring out where this is, but I've had zero luck trying to find such a place.
    When I looked at the stairs in the blown up picture file, I couldnt positively say that the stairs are concrete. They could be a very weathered rail road tie covered in worn creosote. There is a nail on one one end. could be rebar though. could be. just sayin'. M O O

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    Stairs to the beach can be found:
    20300 Pacific Coast Highway
    19900 Pacific Coast Highway
    Will Rogers State Beach (PCH)
    (http://www.usc.edu/org/seagrant/beach/map3.html)

    Will Rogers has "sandy beach" (icon), "stairs" (icon), "Parking/Fee" (icon), and quite a few other things which would make it a popular beach.

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    Are they rock or cement? I spent hours googling pictures of paths to beaches and I found zero that were slabs, not in images and not in descriptions. Hope someone else has more luck, cuz I think rock slabs at a coastal beach may be unusual, which also makes me wonder if indeed it is at a mountainous lake area somewhere where rock like that may be plentiful???


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    Quote Originally Posted by brandi View Post
    When I looked at the stairs in the blown up picture file, I couldnt positively say that the stairs are concrete. They could be a very weathered rail road tie covered in worn creosote. There is a nail on one one end. could be rebar though. could be. just sayin'. M O O
    They looked like stone to me, but I guess weathered wood could be too. The picture with the man in it is probably the best one to look at in trying to determine that, but I don't know where that one came from or how to blow it up.

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    This is one where you can click and enlarge. If you look at the stair closest to the lady in dark blue while it's enlarged, it's pretty clear it's "rough concrete".

    http://crime.about.com/od/serial/ig/...aphs/00083.htm

    As to where that concrete is, I am not sure. I still think it's a beach, and most likely along the So Ca/Los Angeles area beaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herding Cats View Post
    This is one where you can click and enlarge. If you look at the stair closest to the lady in dark blue while it's enlarged, it's pretty clear it's "rough concrete".

    http://crime.about.com/od/serial/ig/...aphs/00083.htm

    As to where that concrete is, I am not sure. I still think it's a beach, and most likely along the So Ca/Los Angeles area beaches.

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    Yep, I agree. Looks like concrete to me.....sigh....now if we can only find them, because I think they are unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    Are they rock or cement? I spent hours googling pictures of paths to beaches and I found zero that were slabs, not in images and not in descriptions. Hope someone else has more luck, cuz I think rock slabs at a coastal beach may be unusual, which also makes me wonder if indeed it is at a mountainous lake area somewhere where rock like that may be plentiful???
    Yes, that's also what I thought. It looks very much like a place I've been to, in Wyoming. I've been looking all over the place, too, and not finding anything that quite matches.

    The rock steps look like the kind of granite slabs common in New England, but I can't think of anyplace that has that white soil. Except maybe out on the Cape, but I don't remember any steps that steep. Hmmmmm.

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    I still think the girl in Alcala's photo looks like Carlene Brown, missing from Wyoming in 1974. For some unknown reason the photo I posted of Carlene in #8 above has been deleted, so I'm posting a side-by-side comparison once again.



    It looks like there's a gap in the front teeth in both images. The ears, the nose, the hair, the shape of the face, all very similar.

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