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    Long reddish haired girl with blue beaded red necklace

    It's probably just the way these two girls are holding their mouths, but there is some resemblance to Lisa Joy White and the UID girl. I agree with everyone else regarding Debra Kidwell- she's close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post
    It's probably just the way these two girls are holding their mouths, but there is some resemblance to Lisa Joy White and the UID girl.
    The Unidentified girl appears to have a bit more chin than LJW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post
    It's probably just the way these two girls are holding their mouths, but there is some resemblance to Lisa Joy White and the UID girl. I agree with everyone else regarding Debra Kidwell- she's close.


    Snuf...those two girls look eerily similar. I would keep that on radar. I can see what Carl is saying about the chins but obviously the girl in the Alcala pix is older and she's filled out a little. I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snufamonbobball View Post
    It's probably just the way these two girls are holding their mouths, but there is some resemblance to Lisa Joy White and the UID girl. I agree with everyone else regarding Debra Kidwell- she's close.

    Lisa Joy White:
    http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US
    I think the LJW possibility is close enough to call in. It's not just features but also expressions and the way she holds her head -- those things don't necessarily change with age.

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    Young girl with long reddish hair & beaded necklace

    Lynn Bernadette Luray? Missing from Long Beach, CA, at age 15 since 1964.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    Lynn Bernadette Luray? Missing from Long Beach, CA, at age 15 since 1964.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/luray_lynn.html
    There are some similarities here, especially the eyes. The hair is different, however. She may have grown it longer and straightened it. I don't know...
    The girl in Alcala's photo looks older than 15 to me. There are no details available of the circumstances of Luray's disappearance, other than "she may have traveled out of the area with an adult male". Was she a runaway?
    Where was Alcala in August, 1964? The timeline I've seen has him in the Army between 1961-64, and then nothing until his graduation from UCLA in 1968.



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    Wow! that sure looks like a match to me. Good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    There are some similarities here, especially the eyes. The hair is different, however. She may have grown it longer and straightened it. I don't know...
    The girl in Alcala's photo looks older than 15 to me. There are no details available of the circumstances of Luray's disappearance, other than "she may have traveled out of the area with an adult male". Was she a runaway?
    Where was Alcala in August, 1964? The timeline I've seen has him in the Army between 1961-64, and then nothing until his graduation from UCLA in 1968.


    WHOA! That is a very good catch, IMO. This girl could have been a runaway and the pic by Alcala was taken a year or two or three later. Are there any other pics of Luray? I'd love to see one where her mouth is closed.

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    This link shows an age progression on Luray. http://www.missingincalifornia.com/lynnluray1964.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    There are some similarities here, especially the eyes. The hair is different, however. She may have grown it longer and straightened it. I don't know...
    The girl in Alcala's photo looks older than 15 to me. There are no details available of the circumstances of Luray's disappearance, other than "she may have traveled out of the area with an adult male". Was she a runaway?
    Where was Alcala in August, 1964? The timeline I've seen has him in the Army between 1961-64, and then nothing until his graduation from UCLA in 1968.


    That's exactly what I was thinking when I brought her up, that it looks like maybe a year or so down the road. Maybe the CP picture is a year younger one also and that they didn't have a more current picture? I was hoping maybe CarlK could work his magic crayon over this gals photo. (I don't know how he does that, but it's a cool trick!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    That's exactly what I was thinking when I brought her up, that it looks like maybe a year or so down the road. Maybe the CP picture is a year younger one also and that they didn't have a more current picture? I was hoping maybe CarlK could work his magic crayon over this gals photo. (I don't know how he does that, but it's a cool trick!)
    Here is the overlay mirrored, and aligned on the chin and nose. It doesn't line up that well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFromLB View Post
    There are some similarities here, especially the eyes. The hair is different, however. She may have grown it longer and straightened it. I don't know...
    The girl in Alcala's photo looks older than 15 to me. There are no details available of the circumstances of Luray's disappearance, other than "she may have traveled out of the area with an adult male". Was she a runaway?
    Where was Alcala in August, 1964? The timeline I've seen has him in the Army between 1961-64, and then nothing until his graduation from UCLA in 1968.


    I don't think the hair matters. Most of us changed to that long straight style somewhere around 1967, often using straighteners if necessary. Or her older hairdo could have been permed and was almost certainly teased.

    I imagine Alcala must have been in school by August. That would make for a normal four-year graduation. It sounds like even if she wasn't a runaway, she was still alive for some time after she disappeared. More likely she went up to LA -- everybody was heading there -- and hung around with the young hippie crowd. Fifteen wasn't as young then as it is now...

    That said, I don't think it's her. The girl in the photo has a narrower skull and a slightly longer jaw, though Luray's face looks longer overall. Though possibly it's just from growing up and losing weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    I don't think the hair matters. Most of us changed to that long straight style somewhere around 1967, often using straighteners if necessary. Or her older hairdo could have been permed and was almost certainly teased.

    I imagine Alcala must have been in school by August. That would make for a normal four-year graduation. It sounds like even if she wasn't a runaway, she was still alive for some time after she disappeared. More likely she went up to LA -- everybody was heading there -- and hung around with the young hippie crowd. Fifteen wasn't as young then as it is now...

    That said, I don't think it's her. The girl in the photo has a narrower skull and a slightly longer jaw, though Luray's face looks longer overall. Though possibly it's just from growing up and losing weight.
    UCLA is on the quarter system, and the Fall quarter doesn't start until mid-September. I graduated there in 1978, and I recall classes started around Sept. 20th.

    As far as the face is concerned, yes there seem to be some differences, though the eyes are really striking. I'm thinking the girl in the picture is around 19 years old, so there could be some narrowing of the face from "growing up".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Here is the overlay mirrored, and aligned on the chin and nose. It doesn't line up that well.


    Carl, thanks for that! I gotta go now, but I was wondering, when you do that does it take into consideration the fact the distance the picture is taken? I mean, one is obviously more a close up than the other, do you shrink it to fit the eyes and then overlay? I gotta try this, it's very interesting! Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    Carl, thanks for that! I gotta go now, but I was wondering, when you do that does it take into consideration the fact the distance the picture is taken? I mean, one is obviously more a close up than the other, do you shrink it to fit the eyes and then overlay? I gotta try this, it's very interesting! Thanks again.
    I see the similarities but to me, the distance from the bottom of the lips to tip of chin is much longer for Alcala photo girl than the other girl.
    Also, Alcala girl photo has straighter nose, the others is a little crooked.

    One thing to look for in some photo's I don't think people look at enough is hairlines. I know hairstyles change, but kinks and cowlicks often stay put.

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