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    This may be a pic of Joyce Gaunt: http://s531.photobucket.com/albums/d...oyceGaunt1.jpg

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    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,1874604.story

    The photos are just a fraction of the more than 1,000 images investigators found in Alcala's storage locker when he was arrested for the 1979 murder of 12-year-old Robin Samsoe in Huntington Beach.

    Detectives have withheld about 900 pictures because they are too sexually explicit, while others have been cropped for release, Thomas said. He said he didn't know why his predecessors didn't release the photos years ago.



    I think he was grooming me. He showed me all these pictures he had taken.

    He showed me pictures of nude boys and some of them were so striking that they stick in my mind today," Leedom said.


    I've been wondering if Alcala was part of a kiddie-porn ring. He even worked for Roman Polanski who obviously was into sex with children. Is this something he's been doing all his adult life? Was he selling these pictures? Are they all his? I was assuming that he took all the pictures, so I was looking only for possible victims that would fit within the time frame of when he was not incarcerated. But what if these people's pictures were taken by someone else, engaging in the same activity. Along with others here, I've run across a few girls who look very much like the UID image, but I did not mention them, because the time frame is off. Maybe if we are finding ver good likenesses we should be posting them anyway, in the event he acquired these pictures from someone else. Like this one that looks like Amy Billig:

    Long haired brunette with eyes half closed - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    I also wonder what he was doing in Denmark? Was he involved in an international kiddie-porn ring? Heck, maybe he met his old boss Polanski there! Back in the early 60's and early 70's there would have been no "internet ring" to post these kinds of pictures on, but they sure as heck existed and I believe they just were sold in person or via the mail, possibly through the want ads with some kind of coded entry?

    I found this statistic on child pornography before the internet: "Before the Internet between one-fifth and one-third of people arrested for child pornography were also involved in actual abuse."


    http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...V7HYJcWx5yf4Ag

    A bit more on child porn before the internet: (snipped from here: http://www.popcenter.org/problems/ch...aphy/1#endref2)

    The treatment of children as sexual objects has existed through the ages, and so too has the production of erotic literature and drawings involving children. However, pornography in the modern sense began with the invention of the camera in the early nineteenth century. Almost immediately, sexualized images involving children were produced, traded, and collected.[1]Even so, child pornography remained a restricted activity through most of the twentieth century. Images were usually locally produced, of poor quality, expensive, and difficult to obtain. The relaxation of censorship standards in the 1960s led to an increase in the availability of child pornography, and, by 1977, some 250 child pornography magazines were circulating in the United States, many imported from Europe
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    Interesting question about child porn given the connection to Polanski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pink Panther View Post
    Has anyone been able to find any photos/images of Joyce Gaunt or Antoinette Witaker? There are lots of articles today referencing them as possible victims but not a single picture to be found!
    PP, I did. I saw Kim gave you one. Buried back here a few posts I found and posted her photograph (Gaunt's) and photographs taken at the place her body was found.

    Sadly I couldn't find any of Antoinette, but I haven't given up.

    PP, it's post #15 on this thread. Someone named Webb obviously had a great interest in the case of Gaunt. She or someone took quite a few photos of Seward Park. There was also the body of another woman found there. Hope that helped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,1874604.story

    The photos are just a fraction of the more than 1,000 images investigators found in Alcala's storage locker when he was arrested for the 1979 murder of 12-year-old Robin Samsoe in Huntington Beach.

    Detectives have withheld about 900 pictures because they are too sexually explicit, while others have been cropped for release, Thomas said. He said he didn't know why his predecessors didn't release the photos years ago.




    This little girl. Something is way not right. Maybe I am looking too much into it. It appears something happened to the left side of her mouth top and bottom. She has a bandage on her pinky finger, but she's a kid so that could be any kid. Her chin looks out of line or something. Again maybe it's just me. Her left arm I see a birthmark. I wouldn't like this photograph no matter who took it. Just something about it.


    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00263.jpg





    I think he was grooming me. He showed me all these pictures he had taken.

    He showed me pictures of nude boys and some of them were so striking that they stick in my mind today," Leedom said.


    I've been wondering if Alcala was part of a kiddie-porn ring. He even worked for Roman Polanski who obviously was into sex with children. Is this something he's been doing all his adult life? Was he selling these pictures? Are they all his? I was assuming that he took all the pictures, so I was looking only for possible victims that would fit within the time frame of when he was not incarcerated. But what if these people's pictures were taken by someone else, engaging in the same activity. Along with others here, I've run across a few girls who look very much like the UID image, but I did not mention them, because the time frame is off. Maybe if we are finding ver good likenesses we should be posting them anyway, in the event he acquired these pictures from someone else. Like this one that looks like Amy Billig:

    Long haired brunette with eyes half closed - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    I also wonder what he was doing in Denmark? Was he involved in an international kiddie-porn ring? Heck, maybe he met his old boss Polanski there! Back in the early 60's and early 70's there would have been no "internet ring" to post these kinds of pictures on, but they sure as heck existed and I believe they just were sold in person or via the mail, possibly through the want ads with some kind of coded entry?

    I found this statistic on child pornography before the internet: "Before the Internet between one-fifth and one-third of people arrested for child pornography were also involved in actual abuse."


    http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...V7HYJcWx5yf4Ag

    A bit more on child porn before the internet: (snipped from here: http://www.popcenter.org/problems/ch...aphy/1#endref2)

    The treatment of children as sexual objects has existed through the ages, and so too has the production of erotic literature and drawings involving children. However, pornography in the modern sense began with the invention of the camera in the early nineteenth century. Almost immediately, sexualized images involving children were produced, traded, and collected.[1]Even so, child pornography remained a restricted activity through most of the twentieth century. Images were usually locally produced, of poor quality, expensive, and difficult to obtain. The relaxation of censorship standards in the 1960s led to an increase in the availability of child pornography, and, by 1977, some 250 child pornography magazines were circulating in the United States, many imported from Europe
    Billylee, That's very interesting. Ya know it crossed my mind about Polanski as well and his class.

    There's one image released of the little girl in the yellow dress that immediately made me cringe. Even though there's other images of very young kids in the photos they released something about the little yellow dress girl just hit me in the pit of my stomach.


    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00263.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    Billylee, That's very interesting. Ya know it crossed my mind about Polanski as well and his class.

    There's one image released of the little girl in the yellow dress that immediately made me cringe. Even though there's other images of very young kids in the photos they released something about the little yellow dress girl just hit me in the pit of my stomach.


    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00263.jpg
    It looks like she has green shorts, you can just see a bit of green in the pic.

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    It would be nice to know which were identified, other than the ones we know,

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    Quote Originally Posted by indiana View Post
    Interesting question about child porn given the connection to Polanski.
    I read a biography of Roman Polanski years ago and it did not portray him as a pedophile per se. Was never found with any child pornography. He was taking pictures of a 13 year old model being "pimped" sort of by her mother, got very drunk, took her home and raped her. Seemed to be an isolated incident involving underage girls.

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    I have never heard of any other serial killers that had an accomplice other than the Hillside Strangler. I can't picture Alcala having a partner. I see him as a secretive loner. He may have committed many many murders without getting caught. An accomplice or witness of any kind to his activities would be dangerous and I just can't see it. Back then you never heard of porn rings. They may have existed but you never heard about them.

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    How is it possible that NO NEWS AGENCY has been able to find out where on earth he was doing time while in the military??? Why is this such a difficult piece of information to find?


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    Detective Patrick Ellis commented while leafing through the photographs of the murdered women, “Look at this, this person is posed like they’re dead. And how old do you think this is one is–13? I’m wondering how many of these people are still alive.



    http://www.ecanadanow.com/world/us-w...otos-released/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    I have never heard of any other serial killers that had an accomplice other than the Hillside Strangler. I can't picture Alcala having a partner. I see him as a secretive loner. He may have committed many many murders without getting caught. An accomplice or witness of any kind to his activities would be dangerous and I just can't see it. Back then you never heard of porn rings. They may have existed but you never heard about them.
    While I agree that Alcala likely didn't have a partner, there have been several SK pairs. Off the top of my head:
    Lake and Ng
    Bittaker and Norris
    The Gallegos

    There's more, but that's all the names I can come up with at the moment.
    Still, they are rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pink Panther View Post
    How is it possible that NO NEWS AGENCY has been able to find out where on earth he was doing time while in the military??? Why is this such a difficult piece of information to find?
    I've been wondering this myself.
    Where did he go for basic training?
    Where was he during the years after basic and before he was discharged?
    Someone MUST know.
    It is the nature of the truth to struggle to the light.

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    I'm not implying that RA had a partner in his murders. I'm wondering if he belonged to a child porno ring. And yes they most certainly existed back then. I am wondering if he bought and sold the pictures. Some articles say they found as many as 2000. That's quite a collection. Sounds like he never really had a steady job or vocation, so I'm wondering if this is how he really made his living?

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    Jazz Poster

    I have looked at this site from time to time, but never posted. I was looking at picture #66 and I didn't see a thread about it. There are two girls with a man behind them. I took the poster on the wall behind them and tried to clear it up to see if I could read it.

    It seems to say The (Queens)? Jazz Quartet

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...323273/66.html

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