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    MO - Martin Cordry indicted for child porn 'bondage cartoons', Sugar Creek

    I've got a few questions about this case. First, why did it take so long to indict this man if they arrested him in December 2008? And what exactly does the reporter mean when they use the word "cartoons of children being sexually assaulted and in bondage"? Once again, a major child porn bust in a suburb of Kansas City/Independence.

    http://www.examiner.net/news/law/x15...ld-pornography


    "A federal grand jury has indicted a Sugar Creek man on charges of storing images and videos of child pornography on computer equipment, with more than 1,000 that depicted cartoons of children being sexually assaulted and in bondage.

    Martin A. Cordry, 47, was indicted on three felony counts that were unsealed following his initial court appearance. He remains in federal custody pending a detention hearing on Monday.

    The three-count indictment alleges Cordry attempted to distribute child pornography over the Internet, attempted to receive child pornography and possessed child pornography.



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    http://http://www.kctv5.com/news/22750818/detail.html

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    For the past three years, Zans said she and her three children have lived in fear. Registered sex offender Marty Cordry lives next to them on Appleton and Kentucky streets in Sugar Creek, Mo. In 1994, Cordry was convicted of raping a 7-year-old girl in Grandview, Mo., and spent 10 years in prison. After being released he began group therapy to curb his addiction, but the fact he was back out in society still scared Zans.

    "I've never seen one who's recovered or been rehabilitated, so I knew there was the possibility he could do it again. That's why I always watched my girls very carefully," Zans said.

    Federal investigators said the therapy didn't help. They said they found child porn on the computer in his home and confiscated it. During the investigation, officials said Cordry bought another computer and continued to download child porn.
    It's time to lock this creep up and throw away the key!!
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    Nomoresorrow--Could you check your link, please. I can't get it to work. I'm very interested in what the neighbors have to say. One of the Mohlers lived very close to this guy too. Scary!!

    I'm very interested in knowing if this guy lived alone or with his family.

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    Here ya go, MissIzzy .... don't know if this means relatives lived there or were visiting.

    KCTV5's Matt Stewart spoke to Cordry's relatives at his house Thursday, but they declined to comment on the situation.

    http://www.kctv5.com/news/22750818/detail.html

    here's an obit for a brother

    http://www.mogenweb.org/stclair/obit...ndyACordry.htm
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    group therapy?

    is that where all the freaking pervs get together and tell each other there cured?

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    You know, TM, I saw that obit and thought of one thing. The man was only 38. You don't suppose he was caught with child porn and ended his own life, do you?

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    that would indicate he had a concsious.

    so i'd say, no

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    Still no ideas as to what the cartoon thing is all about?

    Slightly O/T, I note that we still don't have a name of the man arrested nearby in Blue Springs. His house was called a "hub" of distribution. How long can they hold someone before they formally charge him? Wouldn't they then release his name?

    I'm wondering if it's a repeat of this story--an arrest in late '08 and no indictment until this month. How can they do that? Surely, they are using the time to investigate but what about a person's rights? Can this hold up on appeal if they pull things like this? I realize that many seem to be pleading once they have the evidence plunked down in front of them but just sitting......for months. I'd think an appeals attorney would be all over that.

    So, somebody please fill me in on the cartoon angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbl8201 View Post
    group therapy?

    is that where all the freaking pervs get together and tell each other there cured?
    No, it's where they get together and teach eachother new tricks and better ways not to get caught.

    Izz, I don't know about the cartoon angle, but I am guessing it's like anime? I'll look it up.

    You know not this guy but in your other Missouri link I recognized a name from when poor Kelsey Smith was murdered by whatshisname. I recall we all looked up the sex offenders in the area.

    Lemme check out and see if I see anything.

    BTW, his brother maybe took his own life knowing he had a sibling pulling that crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filly View Post
    No, it's where they get together and teach eachother new tricks and better ways not to get caught.

    Izz, I don't know about the cartoon angle, but I am guessing it's like anime? I'll look it up.

    You know not this guy but in your other Missouri link I recognized a name from when poor Kelsey Smith was murdered by whatshisname. I recall we all looked up the sex offenders in the area.

    Lemme check out and see if I see anything.

    BTW, his brother maybe took his own life knowing he had a sibling pulling that crap.
    obviously my comment was sarcastic lol


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    Izz, here ya go. It's illegal even if it's drawn pictures of children being forced to have sex. Da*n right should be.

    That perv Worley in Virginia who received live children pornography as well as comics/anime fought in court saying it was against his constitutional rights as the pictures/anime were just that............depictions.

    I bet he's out already.

    So, I am just guessing it's a huge Japanese thing because that anime is. Plus recall us discussing on threads how some of these seemingly lovely, I help out at the local youth program people have all that anime on their Myspaces and all. ****Note I am not saying people into anime are pervs. I am saying in these cases********* Last thing I need is the anime people beating me up.


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    I hate Anime!! I despise it. How often does anybody hear me being so negative about anything? Anime makes my skin crawl and I think it is really freaky that middle school and high school libraries have it on their shelves. One of my sons brought home a stack from school about two years ago and I sat down and flagged the pages that showed out and out rape, molestation, horrific humiliation, bondage, cutting, etc. I could not believe it. I rarely get worked up about something but I got worked up. The school's response was that it drew in struggling readers. Well, no doubt Hustler would too but I did not approve and I'm pretty open with what literature kids read. I just have a wee problem with drawings of groups of guys holding down a girl in a restroom and "tickling her"......oh yuck. A lot of it is simply porn. Never mind.

    Back to the cartoons and bondage. I want to understand this. Does this charge mean that this man was drawing something like Anime which showed cartoon children in pornographic situations? I find it very interesting that I've found this man living with a person with and Asian name. And so close to Burrell Mohler Sr. who also has a person with an Asian name listed at his house. What's all this about?

    I also don't want any Anime lovers upset at me but it's not for kids.

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    This case touches on a subject that I have been trying to sort out in my mind for some time now.

    When I first became an adult, I remember going into an adult bookstore in San Francisco (late 1970's) where child pornography was openly for sale. I was, needless to say, shocked beyond belief. At the time, no laws existed to ban it. Thankfully, shortly after this encounter, all states passed laws banning the production, sale or possession of such filth.

    One of the arguements used by consumers of this trash was that they were only pictures and that owning the pictures did not constitute actual abuse. Opponents of child porn sensibly countered that abuse did occur at the production level and that by eliminating the porn at the consumer level, it would prevent the abuse by producers. Decency won out and all possession was banned.

    But with that arguement in mind, what do we make of cartoons, drawings, paintings or computer-generated images of child pornography? The position that viewing these images promotes actual abuse does not work when the images are "fake". Of course, people who view these images are more likely to commit abuse against children, but no abuse has occured in the production of these images themselves.

    Please do not misinterpet this post as any sort of a defense of ANY child porn - all child porn is an affront to moral decency. But does confounding moral decency alone constitute a crime? There are other extremely disgusting forms of porn that do not involve children but certainly offend society that are not illegal - if drawings of child porn does not involve real abuse, what is the legal basis for banning it?

    Offhand, I can think of two reasons: the porn can be used to intice children into sexual acts by portraying the acts as "normal", and it adds to the too-frequent early sexualization of children in general. And I can certainly see how people who have been convicted of child sexual abuse should not be allowed to view such material - they have already shown that they will "cross the line" between fantasy and reality.

    But does viewing this material make someone a pedophile any more than viewing violent cartoons makes one a murderer? As a young man, I used to read "graphic novels" about Conan the Barbarian which involved an odd collection of violent action and large busted women, yet somehow I never grew up to run around chopping off people's heads with a broadsword.

    Again, do not think that I am defending any sort of kiddy porn. I am glad that it ALL is illegal. I just am curious as to what others see as the legal basis of such a ban.
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    Well put and thought provoking. I'd like to sleep on that one. Thank you for posting your thoughts, Dr. Doogie. I'd actually like to learn more about this particular form of child porn. And FWIW, I don't think that animated child porn was the only type found.

    I'm still wondering about the length of time this man waited for indictment. Does that strike anyone else as very strange?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie View Post
    This case touches on a subject that I have been trying to sort out in my mind for some time now.

    When I first became an adult, I remember going into an adult bookstore in San Francisco (late 1970's) where child pornography was openly for sale. I was, needless to say, shocked beyond belief. At the time, no laws existed to ban it. Thankfully, shortly after this encounter, all states passed laws banning the production, sale or possession of such filth.

    One of the arguements used by consumers of this trash was that they were only pictures and that owning the pictures did not constitute actual abuse. Opponents of child porn sensibly countered that abuse did occur at the production level and that by eliminating the porn at the consumer level, it would prevent the abuse by producers. Decency won out and all possession was banned.

    But with that arguement in mind, what do we make of cartoons, drawings, paintings or computer-generated images of child pornography? The position that viewing these images promotes actual abuse does not work when the images are "fake". Of course, people who view these images are more likely to commit abuse against children, but no abuse has occured in the production of these images themselves.

    Please do not misinterpet this post as any sort of a defense of ANY child porn - all child porn is an affront to moral decency. But does confounding moral decency alone constitute a crime? There are other extremely disgusting forms of porn that do not involve children but certainly offend society that are not illegal - if drawings of child porn does not involve real abuse, what is the legal basis for banning it?

    Offhand, I can think of two reasons: the porn can be used to intice children into sexual acts by portraying the acts as "normal", and it adds to the too-frequent early sexualization of children in general. And I can certainly see how people who have been convicted of child sexual abuse should not be allowed to view such material - they have already shown that they will "cross the line" between fantasy and reality.

    But does viewing this material make someone a pedophile any more than viewing violent cartoons makes one a murderer? As a young man, I used to read "graphic novels" about Conan the Barbarian which involved an odd collection of violent action and large busted women, yet somehow I never grew up to run around chopping off people's heads with a broadsword.

    Again, do not think that I am defending any sort of kiddy porn. I am glad that it ALL is illegal. I just am curious as to what others see as the legal basis of such a ban.
    I have had these same thoughts, Dr. Doggie, about cartoon or drawn child porn. Especially as it relates to other types of graphic novels. Your point about Conan is well taken. I have young boys who love Batman, Spiderman, etc... comics and some of that stuff can be fairly dark. Most normal people are able to look at fantasy violence without following its thread into real life.

    Obviously, the law's stance on the subject of drawn kiddie porn is clear. And even though I'm all for it, I can't say that I understand it. I don't think we know enough about child porn users in general and pedophile habits in particular to really say that people who look at cartoonish kiddie porn will act on it.
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