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    Room & girl walking around w/cigarette and no pants

    Would someone post a picture of this? TIA
    Alot of photos were taken in this room- There are 3 ropes hanging down from something above, the one by the vacuum cleaner clearly has a noose secured with some kind of black tape.

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    Here's the picture.

    Link to the large image.
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00123.jpg

    I see where you're talking about, but I'm not at all sure that's a noose. I think it just may be a loose end of the rope. A noose made with tape wouldn't work very well. A noose is supposed to be able to slide tight. One fixed with tape would stay at one size.

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    Has it been determined that the apartment in that photo is the NY apartment? Because the curtains are the same as in this photo

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00462.jpg

    So maybe the boy in that photo is from the East Coast? Not that curtains can't be moved from apartment to apartment...we always tended to get new window treatments each time we moved, though.

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    The ropes just to either side of her are holding up a swing, or shelf, the pink object right behind her. There is no noose.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bargle View Post
    Here's the picture.

    Link to the large image.
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00123.jpg

    I see where you're talking about, but I'm not at all sure that's a noose. I think it just may be a loose end of the rope. A noose made with tape wouldn't work very well. A noose is supposed to be able to slide tight. One fixed with tape would stay at one size.
    Last edited by rossva; 03-24-2010 at 09:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bargle View Post
    Here's the picture.

    Link to the large image.
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00123.jpg

    I see where you're talking about, but I'm not at all sure that's a noose. I think it just may be a loose end of the rope. A noose made with tape wouldn't work very well. A noose is supposed to be able to slide tight. One fixed with tape would stay at one size.
    Thank you much Bargle! I should have described the end of the rope as "noose" shaped. It is definately looped back up and secured w/tape. It maybe part of a pulley system? There's a platform thing above the window w a spliced wire coming down from it. Her pants, with a wide belt are on the chair behind her. I'm trying to compare this with the cyclone fence girl, as she is also wearing a wide belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossva View Post
    The ropes just to either side of her are holding up a swing, or shelf, the pink object right behind her. There is no noose.
    Oh I see that now! Ok then...I didn't even see it looping through that. I stand corrected.

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    The "platform thing" looks like a board that lowers to cover the window. I suspect it could be becuase of drafts. Also, there is no noose but two ropes attached to a pink swing.

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    The fabric hanging on the very left of this photo looks like that orangy sheet backdrop in so many other pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassyscraps View Post
    The "platform thing" looks like a board that lowers to cover the window. I suspect it could be becuase of drafts. Also, there is no noose but two ropes attached to a pink swing.
    Photos of women on swings while wearing no underwear were popular in girlie magazines at the time. Not real porn, more like Hustler-level stuff. Judging by the look of some of the cropped photos, Alcala was aiming to sell into that market.

    I think the shutter over the window is also to make the room very dark so he can do certain photographic effects even in the middle of the day. There's one very dark blue background that looks to me like it might be this room with that panel shut. I'll look for that later tonight...

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    There's another window to the right in this photograph. The two "drapes" are each tied to let air in. In the NG's photo I'm linking it's blown up and you can see it's another Native American print. It reminds me of the backdrop for the boy with the abdomen in the chair. Or the plaid hat girl.

    I'm not real sure which or if they are either. It's kind of like a "flame stitch" in all three is the best word I can come up with. Would someone be so kind to have a look and see what you think. Thank you.


    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00123.jpg


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    They look like the same fabric curtains and the wooden-armed chair in both photos:

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00462.jpg
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00123.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatertot View Post
    They look like the same fabric curtains and the wooden-armed chair in both photos:

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00462.jpg
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00123.jpg
    I agree. It looks like the same fabric and backdrop to me too. The same one that is in the backround picture of the boy and for the girl with the checkered hat.

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    Looks like the same fabric to me, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatertot View Post
    They look like the same fabric curtains and the wooden-armed chair in both photos:

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00462.jpg
    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/00123.jpg
    Thanks Tatertot. I was wondering if they were taken in another location or in his NYC pad. Probably then in NYC.

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    O.K. Looking at this with fresh eyes there's alot going on. Possibly ways we can at least find something more on this girl.

    Ummmmm, the fact this guy had so many wires all over it's a miracle he didn't set the place on fire. Also, I know it's NYC and all but he's pretty brazen as the people across the way had to be able to see in.

    There's a newspaper on the floor to the right on the bottom. I also think he has a mirror and I can see him in it. He's a little sideways because the flash would have bounced off. Right between the two windows.

    He's sloppy so I don't think the house he's in with the girl in the yellow bikini is his. Of course I also see a faint bruise on the top of her right kneecap. Judging from that letter he asked for photographs of the actress with a bikini on. If he couldn't get that he wanted bare legs.

    So what he could whack them? It takes an awful lot to break a kneecap. I think he knew just how to hurt someone enough for them to suffer but still be fairly mobile. Sick. So possibly the newspaper would date this. I'm praying he didn't use all those wires and stuff to hurt these women.

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