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    WA - Shantina Smiley, 29, & Azriel Carver, 8 (fnd deceased), Olympia, Mar 2010 - #5

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    Here I am on #5. Seems we have run out of ideas, but I am having an awful time letting go of both Shantina and Azriel, as irrational as it would seem. Well, I wonder where this thread will take us....if anywhere......:Banane37:
    By the way, I am a producer on Now Public Media, which is how I became so caught up in this case. These were my 3 stories I posted, and then, I came here, because I wanted to know what happened, in depth...




    http://my.nowpublic.com/world/no-clues-case-missing-shantina-smiley-and-8-year-old-son

    http://my.nowpublic.com/world/autopsy-confirms-body-azriel-carver-cause-death-drowning

    http://my.nowpublic.com/world/autops...d-abuse-probes
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    I went back through all the surveillance videos looking at SS for anything that might be a sign of illness or injury or a brain event, but I really didn't see anything. The videos were kind of jerky in movement, rather they made the people look jerky in movement so it wasn't very clear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    I went back through all the surveillance videos looking at SS for anything that might be a sign of illness or injury or a brain event, but I really didn't see anything. The videos were kind of jerky in movement, rather they made the people look jerky in movement so it wasn't very clear.
    Yes, I noticed that too: Very choppy and lurching videos. Not easy to tell the actual movement.


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    When I do look at the clearer ones, she honestly does not look impaired to me, not in any obvious way. A stumbling, slurring person would be noticed more, and the police called, I assume, if it had been blatant and really obvious...
    although she does hit the curb...
    Do not know why I am stuck on her and her son in these tapes, as if watching them will change the outcome....Obsessive, much?

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4114833/n...ylist_id=87249
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    (supposedly) Azriel said his mommy hit her head. I don't know why that was dismissed out of hand. And there are so many other reasons why she could have acted the way she did. Someone mentioned migraines earlier; I hadn't considered that, but that was a good point too.


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    Rumor is that SS is a smart woman. Could SS possibly have planned a scheme, to get away, from what ever it might be, she wanted freedom from? Or, could it possibly be, that she trusted someone, to help her and her son, from the van, in the water? And, that person kidnapped them?

    It's just my feeling that SS is alive. I am not sure where, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancee Drue View Post
    Rumor is that SS is a smart woman. Could SS possibly have planned a scheme, to get away, from what ever it might be, she wanted freedom from? Or, could it possibly be, that she trusted someone, to help her and her son, from the van, in the water? And, that person kidnapped them?

    It's just my feeling that SS is alive. I am not sure where, though.

    Again, IMO, if she wanted to "get away", she would not have made herself so visible, making all those stops asking for directions to a freeway that was practically within walking distance from where she was asking. I have never heard of someone calling such attention to their actions, wandering for hours in one location while they are running away

    If someone wants to disappear/get away from it all, it is quite easy...you just quietly go without telling anyone...you just go. Either take your child(ren) with you or leave them with someone.

    I do not believe Shantina was a monster and killed her child to start a new life. I do believe that whatever happened that night was not a planned event. Just an extremely sad and tragic event. Also, IMO, she is in the water.


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    Perhaps, she made herself noticeable, so it would seem she was having a possible problem, and people might think she drowned??? Then, she could disappear?

    Or, perhaps, she was just kidnapped? Maybe a kidnapper harmed SS's son, and is holding SS captive?

    The easiest, end of story conclusion is, that SS drowned. I won't believe unless her body is found.


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    Where can I find detailed info about the multiple CPS reports, especially ones filed btwn 04-06? I know in some of the previous threads there has been much referanced to these reports and discussion tho I havent, myself, seen any of the reports of excerpts from them If anyone knows where I could locate such info would post a link or even just point me in the correct direction? TIA!!!


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    Also: Her "brain event" may have been the result of anti-anxiety meds, and then worsened with wine on top of that.


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    I looked up Carlo Rossi wine.

    It's available in 1.5L, 3.0L and 4.0L bottles.

    We need to pin down the 'average' effects of drinking that amount.

    I think different types of wine (red, white) might have different effects. The wine she bought appeared to be white. The whites that Carlo Rossi sells are: Chablis, Chardonnay, and Rhine.

    http://www.carlorossi.com/the-wines/TheWines.html

    Once we get the expected effects we can compare them against the symptoms she displayed, and against symptoms of concussion, stroke, etc.

    ETA: I believe it's actually the 1.5L she bought. So she would have consumed half that, or .75L.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    I looked up Carlo Rossi wine.

    It's available in 1.5L, 3.0L and 4.0L bottles. I looked up pictures, and the 1.5 is a regular wine bottle. It looks like the 3L is what she bought. So she may have had approximately 1.5L.

    We need to pin down the 'average' effects of drinking that amount. That's about the amount of wine in a regular wine bottle.

    I think different types of wine (red, white) might have different effects. The wine she bought appeared to be white. The whites that Carlo Rossi sells are: Chablis, Chardonnay, and Rhine.

    http://www.carlorossi.com/the-wines/TheWines.html

    Once we get the expected effects we can compare them against the symptoms she displayed, and against symptoms of concussion, stroke, etc.
    Good thinking, and thanks for that info. And also, certain anti-anxiety meds, such as what RS told press she had been taking, have the side effects greatly increased if taken with red winehttp://healthed.aarphealthcare.com/ArticlePage.aspx?CategName=Depression&TopicName=Me dications&ArticleTitle=antianxiety
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    Brain event symptoms

    Diner employee comment:
    http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/1...n-missing.html
    - "Mom hit her head"
    - appeared drunk
    - wondered if she had a concussion

    Other symptoms:
    - disorientation
    - frequent, long stops in vehicle
    - unable to follow simple directions for short distances
    - fell down outside diner

    Possible nausea, vomiting
    - left diner without food she'd paid for
    - fell down outside diner
    - unexplained frequent, long stops while driving
    - Williams said she looked as if she'd been crying. Typical symptoms of crying: Red, swollen, watery eyes and red runny nose.
    - Typical symptoms after vomiting: red, swollen, watery eyes. Red, runny nose.
    - bent over counter
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    Brain event symptoms

    Diner employee comment:
    http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/1...n-missing.html
    - "Mom hit her head"
    - appeared drunk
    - wondered if she had a concussion

    Other symptoms:
    - disorientation
    - frequent, long stops in vehicle
    - unable to follow simple directions for short distances
    - fell down outside diner

    Possible nausea, vomiting
    - left diner without food she'd paid for
    - fell down outside diner
    - unexplained frequent, long stops while driving
    - Williams said she looked as if she'd been crying. Typical symptoms of crying: Red, swollen, watery eyes and red runny nose.
    - Typical symptoms after vomiting: red, swollen, watery eyes. Red, runny nose.
    - bent over counter
    Wow, what a thorough and excellent list. And it does add up. I wonder if taking anti-stress meds due to the pending visit, which she may have been nervous about, could have led to her bumping her head. The combination leading to a "brain event". And then wine worsening it: Perhaps a glass of wine or two in an attempt to "come down" from the meds? And then furthering of nausea and disorientation. It is too bad she could not have been detained and checked somehow.


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