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    Roman Polansi link

    1968-1971 enrolled at NYU, film studies with director Roman Polanski (New York)

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    Call me crazy, the fact that Alcala and Polanski where connected during this time intrigues me.

    As many know Sharon Tate was murdered in 1969 by Charles Manson. Some of the pictures IMO depict young women in a comfortable setting at Alcala's Greenwich Village Apt. Gave me chills and made me wonder if some of these girls where drawn in just like the Manson Family girls where drawn to Manson's crazy ways. To be honest some of the girls LOOK like members of the Manson Family.

    Also, I would like to find out more on Polanski and Alcala's link. If anyone has found additional info linking these two please post it here. Thanks.
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    BTW, Sharon Tate filmed Rosemary's baby in 1968 at the Dakota Hotel in NYC. I wonder if Alcala was involved in this as a student of Polanski's at the time. Seems eerie that he could have actually come in contact with Sharon Tate right before she was killed.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/

    Also, her last movie 12+1, filmed in 1969, was filmed in Europe AND NYC.
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    I doubt there was much of a connection between them. It would be something Alcala would probably have bragged about, but Polanski may have not even known him. He was quite famous by then. Polanski lived such a strange life from the time he was born, barely escaping concentration camps, then the Manson murders. It's as if he was destined to have darkness and evil follow him. In his film career did life follow art or art follow life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleuthster View Post
    BTW, Sharon Tate filmed Rosemary's baby in 1968 at the Dakota Hotel in NYC. I wonder if Alcala was involved in this as a student of Polanski's at the time. Seems eerie that he could have actually come in contact with Sharon Tate right before she was killed.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/

    Also, her last movie 12+1, filmed in 1969, was filmed in Europe AND NYC.
    Love that movie. I love Mia.

    I'd have to agree with Redbird in that Polanski was already famous. However, I don't buy the dark, evil following him. The fact his family was wiped out in the camps is horrific. Other than that the pervert was not murdered. His poor wife was. Luring and procuring children and drugging them and having sex with them? He brought that on himself. That right there makes you a pedophile. I don't give a flying *%#* about how talented he is if he was drugging a kid and having sex with her.

    Sleuthster, the whole connection thing kind of reminds me of Angelica Houston's father and the Doctor all somehow linked to The Black Dahlia murder.

    Naw, I don't think Alcala and Roman hung out. Then again? Child rapists?

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    The theory that Dr. George Hodel had anything to do with the murder of Elizabeth Short rests on some very shaky claims from Hodel's son, who sees things in photographs and evidence lockers that are demonstrably not there. There's a certain fascinating pathology of people who believe their parents were fiendish killers, against all evidence, and that's what I believe is going on with Steve Hodel. He has recently upped his claims to say that his father also killed James Ellroy's mother, and was the Zodiac Killer.

    As for Polanski, there is no evidence that in 1968, when he was newly married to Sharon Tate, that he was inclined towards or practicing pedophilia. And there would be no reason for a former film student to be hanging around the set of a big budget Hollywood film like Rosemary's Baby. This supposed link sounds more like a wannabe bragging than any real connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archivist View Post
    The theory that Dr. George Hodel had anything to do with the murder of Elizabeth Short rests on some very shaky claims from Hodel's son, who sees things in photographs and evidence lockers that are demonstrably not there. There's a certain fascinating pathology of people who believe their parents were fiendish killers, against all evidence, and that's what I believe is going on with Steve Hodel. He has recently upped his claims to say that his father also killed James Ellroy's mother, and was the Zodiac Killer.

    As for Polanski, there is no evidence that in 1968, when he was newly married to Sharon Tate, that he was inclined towards or practicing pedophilia. And there would be no reason for a former film student to be hanging around the set of a big budget Hollywood film like Rosemary's Baby. This supposed link sounds more like a wannabe bragging than any real connection.



    Hodel's son is a police officer, right archivist? He scares me a little. Darn, I was going to bring Man Ray into the whole mix. Growing up my mom would tell me the tales of that murder. Everytime Angelica Houston came on something she'd say "See, it was her father that dated the Black Deliah". No wonder I am interested in true crime.

    Heck, at least I don't believe my parent is a serial killer. Then again.....

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    Yes, Filly, Hodel's son is a retired LAPD detective.

    Interesting about your mother's remarks. When was she saying that she thought John Huston had a Black Dahlia connection? Was this after Hodel's book was first released in 2003, or before?

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    I don't know if I believe him to have been chummy with Roman Polanski but I suppose it's not out of the question for his projects to have employed students in fetching and carrying etc.

    If anyone has got access to Polanski DVDs from that period, maybe you could check the titles if Alcala's alias (John Berger, was it?) is listed there. Did they list all the people who had a minor role in the production in the late sixties, early seventies?

    Another thought might be to look if there is anything available about Polanski's film students on the Internet. Even if he wasn't pals with Roman Polanski he might have photographed some of his fellow students. (But I expect those have been made aware of Alcala's other career and have maybe called and identified themselves already?)

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    Rosemary's Baby was the only film he made in the US (in 1968) in NY while Alcala was a student in LA. The next movie he made in the US was Chinatown in 1974 while Alcala was in prison. He never taught film and never was associated with a university in the US. So to me it's much more likely that being a student of Polanski was a fantasy. Maybe he admired him and his dark point of view.

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    If Alcala ever met Polanski how I imagine it is that either in NY or Europe he saw them filming someplace and fantasized that he was part of the crew. Nothing more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by archivist View Post
    Yes, Filly, Hodel's son is a retired LAPD detective.

    Interesting about your mother's remarks. When was she saying that she thought John Huston had a Black Dahlia connection? Was this after Hodel's book was first released in 2003, or before?
    Archivist, it had to be waaaaaaay before 2003. It was when I was in my late teens and she tried scaing the daylights out of me. I recall maybe something about Anthony Quinn and someone being married to him? They heard the voice and supposedly it sounded like the Doctor?

    I'll definately ask her. She's of sound mind save for I'm her caretaker. My parents raised me "Better afraid then hurt or missing". My dad was a Detective. Truthfully it just made me the opposite.

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    In doing this research on Polanski I did discover he did have a penchant for young girls. In 1976, Polanski started a romantic relationship with Nastassja Kinski, when she was 15 years old and he was 43 years old. In 1979, their relationship ended at the completion of filming Polanski's Oscar-nominated Tess, in which Kinski had played a role. I got this info from Wikipedia and IMBD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    In doing this research on Polanski I did discover he did have a penchant for young girls. In 1976, Polanski started a romantic relationship with Nastassja Kinski, when she was 15 years old and he was 43 years old. In 1979, their relationship ended at the completion of filming Polanski's Oscar-nominated Tess, in which Kinski had played a role. I got this info from Wikipedia and IMBD.
    That always gets me "romantic relationship" or "sexual relationship" when one of the pair are about 30 years older than the other.

    Here's some testimony to what he did to a 13 year old child of whom he has called "sophisticated". Hello, due this is a child. A child you gave a qualude to.

    Warning it's sickening in case anyone wants to read it.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...skicover1.html

    IMO a grown man 30 years the senior of a child who does that has way more than a penchant for young girls. He's a pedophile. It's not just a once in a lifetime mistake the guy made. I'd love to know how many people he paid off.

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    How much were Roman Polanski's relationships with young girls discussed in public in the 1960-1970s? Just wondering if it might have been a factor in Alcala's interest in him, if, as suggested in the timeline thread, he has exaggerated Polanski's teaching role in his life.

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    It's interesting also the whole Helter Skelter thing. I mean, if Alcala did have an obsession with Polanski and did research on him it would be a scary thought. I dont believe he had anything to do with Manson or the murder itself but the pictures we have seen tell a tale and in some of the photos of young women they look very comfortable if not over confident hanging out in his apartment (as well as some of the men). In some of the pictures we see woman smiling, having a great time, relaxed listening to music like they where at home and then we see some of the same women with possible bruises and tears.

    It makes me wonder if he had the same charm and control with these young people that Charles Manson did. Did he gain their trust with a god like aproach, drugs, and a pad for runaways and the homeless to flop at and then kill some of them? I also look at the pictures of some of the men and wonder what role if any that they played in his sick little games.
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