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    WA - Mackenzie Cowell, 17, Wenatchee, 9 Feb 2010 - #14

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    Snipped from the previous thread before it was moved to here:

    "Originally Posted by No More
    Someone asked me for a list of all the initials for people in this case... anyone care to repost that? I don't have it. TIA!"
    The following is a repost of what I put together all the way back on the first page of thread #10. Is this what you mean? Also, it may be incomplete, but it's a start.


    ---------------------- (snipped from Thread #10)

    List of initials commonly used in these threads (so far). Just thought I'd compile this information in one place to make it easier on people new to these threads or just catching up.

    MC = Mackenzie Cowell
    WC = MC's mom
    RC = MC's dad
    JF - Mom's bf/ex?
    JV - MC's bf

    PC (PCR) = Pitcher Canyon Road - where MC's car was found
    CB = Crescent Bar - where MC's body was found

    LE = law enforcement
    POI = person of interest
    WW = Wenatchee World newspaper
    COD = cause of death

    Other initials/acronyms:
    bf = boyfriend
    ETA = edited to add
    BBM = bolded by me
    S&BBM = snipped and bolded by me
    SBM = snipped by me
    IIRC = if I recall correctly
    FWIW = for what it's worth
    KWIM = know what I mean?

    MOO = my opinion only
    IMO = in my opinion
    IMHO = in my humble opinion
    JMHO = just my humble opinion

    Here's a link to a thread that may help with other acronymns used at Websleuths.

    ---------------------- (end of snip)

    Also, here is a link to the excellent timeline put together by pufnstuf, Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased WA - Mackenzie Cowell, 17, missing 2/9/10, Orondo/Wenatchee #13, that contains more information about initials and some of the specifics of the case. A must read.

    ETA - I just PMed pufnstuf asking that the timeline be reposted here. Thanks, puf!
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    Here's a close-up photo of the figure 8:
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    Quote Originally Posted by del rio View Post
    Here's a close-up photo of the figure 8:
    Now that looks like a dirtbike to me...

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    I agree. Not a remote control track. Too Deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erok View Post
    Now that looks like a dirtbike to me...
    Yeah me too.

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    So who rode their dirt bikes there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by No More View Post
    So who rode their dirt bikes there?
    It wasnt me....... goodnight all!

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    You can clearly see plants growing in the grooves. So, I opine that the figure 8 has been there since at least last September.

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    A big Thanks to all the local posters here as we appreciate everything you post. And thanks to you Del Rio for your very fine photographic contributions. It all brings us close to the case in our Sleuthing. Reading here, I almost feel like I'm in Eastern Wa.

    Now to go read up ~ gotta catch up God Bless Mackenzie, and I hope her killer is found ASAP xox


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychnatural View Post
    About a week or so ago it was rumored that " someone " might be staying at a relative's house up Blewett.... I drive past this place every day twice and have seen no vehicles there other than the one(s) normally there. So either he parks behind somewhere not visible from the road or maybe he's not really staying there. Just thought I'd fill ya in!!
    I have heard a RUMOR that his location is unknown at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaW View Post
    I have heard a RUMOR that his location is unknown at this point.

    Well... I recall a rumor that Dee said, he was on the run. That's what she posted on her FB page. So...who knows if it is true, or not???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaW View Post
    Perhaps more importantly, who that is relevant to MC has a dirt bike?
    IMO there is a long list of people that could have known of the CB location... previous owners and acquaintances, real estate agents, someone shopping for real estate, construction people, PUD people, dirt bike riders, or even just anyone who lived or passed by regularly and noticed it to be vacant... a long list. If the house was not broken into, then I imagine the list of people with that access would be short.

    I guess that is why I kept focusing on the car up PC... why up there? Just lazy and walked home when it was all done? MC felt comfortable with that person there? Aren't there other remote places just as remote and unexplainable for now? Why in PC and why there?

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    Hi No More, Reading back, you posted: "Here is del rio's picture of the yellow spray paint again (if that is what it is). I reviewed all the previous pictures and used a graphics editor to diminish everything that was not spray paint. Of..."

    I'm wondering if this spray painting was found near her body? You saw some #'s. I thought I read 2 words ~ LOVE ~, and YOU below that. Thanks for your thoughts on the importance of the spray painting. xox

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    Quote Originally Posted by No More View Post
    IMO there is a long list of people that could have known of the CB location... previous owners and acquaintances, real estate agents, someone shopping for real estate, construction people, PUD people, dirt bike riders, or even just anyone who lived or passed by regularly and noticed it to be vacant... a long list. If the house was not broken into, then I imagine the list of people with that access would be short.

    I guess that is why I kept focusing on the car up PC... why up there? Just lazy and walked home when it was all done? MC felt comfortable with that person there? Aren't there other remote places just as remote and unexplainable for now? Why in PC and why there?
    Yeah, I agree with del rio about those marks being there since last fall.

    I talked to someone close to MC that said she would not have gone there by herself. She would have had to be scared of the person to go up PC. But, I still think she was never in that car.

    I would think there would be even more remote places to hide the car, but maybe the killer could only think of PC when they were making a quick decision of what to do with it. Or, maybe they put it there to throw everyone off.

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