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    nancy krebs

    i think this lady is mostly discredited at this forum. i'm wondering why there is not more discussion about her or at least some more info about why she should not be taken seriously. there are aspects of her "story" which make sense at least to me: she describes abuse such as use of a garotee and electrocution which coincide with aspects of the ramsey case, she describes christmas parties as the pretext for such abuse and points toward the whites (there were two christmas parties - one at the ramseys and one at the whites. also i believe forensics pointed toward sexual abuse of jonbent two days before christmas day which i believe coincides with the ramsey's party), her allegations of powerful people involved would help explain in part why this case is growing cold and the DA's office appears at odds with the police, reports showed that krebs had recently been physically and sexually abused as she had said, krebs goes in hiding out of fear for her life, the ladies therapists gets threatening calls, etc.


    this type of abuse in families and even in more extended groups has been documented in other cases, why does no one seem to take it too seriously here?


    remember also that JB had problems with bedwetting ( a sign of sexual abuse), appeared down a lot to third parties (low esteem or depression in a 6 year old -- why whould that be), and had been treated numerous times by her physicians for a variety of ailments (some "falls" or other "accidents")...

    can anyone shed some light? thanks

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    Iron, what hat have you posted under before?

    It is almost impossible for someone to ask about Krebs without having posted in the forum world elsewhere about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia
    Iron, what hat have you posted under before?

    It is almost impossible for someone to ask about Krebs without having posted in the forum world elsewhere about her.

    Thanks.
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    this is the first forum regarding jonbent in which i have posted, honestly. i've read about krebs (really the mystery woman in artilces that came out in 2000. i saw the lady's name in this and other fourms) in researching the saga (and read a lot at ffj forum -- where i just joined under cberg but can't post yet). just recently got interested in the case. i just see little discussion about the MW here other than people simply saying she's a crackpot etc and see that she's dismissed by most at FFJ.

    It just seems to me that the woman and her story shouldn't be so easily dismissed. As noted in my original post there are some parallels and she did have some older guy convicted of rape when she was a teen. From what I can gather most think she's nuts because of what i see are minor inconsistencies and that the story seems to strange or scary to believe. i just would like to know from people who have been following the events for sometime why there is no (or little) credence given to her allegations.

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    Sheesh! I've followed the Krebs story from the beginning and you know a heck of a lot for a newbie to Krebs.

    Let me put it this way Iron... a freak named M**e supported a delusional person named Nancy, mislead posters about Nancy and took money from them. Then M**e claimed another person was responsible for the missing funds/stuff.

    Nancy has an interview with the BPD and ANYONE reading it can see she is confused or lying. Her own theories don't hold up.

    Soooooo beware of the lying 3 M's and Ms H. each has an agenda against Fleet White cause he wouldn't give M**e the time of day and she's been pissed at him ever since.

    Oh don't get us started on Nancy! lololol...
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    Show me and Tricia:
    thanks for the responses. like i said in the past month or so i did a lot of reading about the case cuz i had some extra time, so i'm not a newbie so to speak to the krebs woman- just never posted in these forums before. i just didn't get why so she was so easily dismissed. maybe you could point me to the intervie with the bpd. seriously though not to open a can of worms but maybe a quick couple of sentences to say why krebs and her therapist (bientkowski i think) are confused and/or lying? what would be their motivations?

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    Please read what Snapple from CS has to say regarding Nancy Krebs. Snapple is an expert in Soviet studies. She claimed the radical leftist groups in Boulder was responsible for the Nancy Krebs Story. I believe her 100%.

    http://www.cybersleuths.com/cgi-bin/...c;f=1;t=004609

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawna
    Please read what Snapple from CS has to say regarding Nancy Krebs. Snapple is an expert in Soviet studies. She claimed the radical leftist groups in Boulder was responsible for the Nancy Krebs Story. I believe her 100%.

    http://www.cybersleuths.com/cgi-bin/...c;f=1;t=004609
    1. from what i can gather from snapple's post is that there is a group (AIM) that sets as their goal to discredit law enforcement and the courts (for what exact reasons i couldn't precisely gather other than there affiliation to the Indians is related to the murder of american indians around the 1900's and possible failure to properly punish the guilty parties by the fbi) and his idea is that this same group (i did read that Hill took Krebs to an Indian reservation for protection) puts krebs out there to discredit the fbi or cops? i suppose it's possible but according to the therapists story, she and krebs contacted Hill not the other way around.

    2. how does kreb's story really discredit the courts and cops when the authorities hadn't any evidence of some sort of sex ring until she came forward (at least i don't know of any)? i just don't see what a leftist group would gain from the story.

    3. also, there are documented paedophile ring cases (a big scandal of recent in Belgium where senior officials are implicated in a cover up, and there have been cases in the us-- do a search for "Finders" scandal (daycare I think) for example )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Me
    Sheesh! I've followed the Krebs story from the beginning and you know a heck of a lot for a newbie to Krebs.

    Let me put it this way Iron... a freak named M**e supported a delusional person named Nancy, mislead posters about Nancy and took money from them. Then M**e claimed another person was responsible for the missing funds/stuff.

    Nancy has an interview with the BPD and ANYONE reading it can see she is confused or lying. Her own theories don't hold up.

    Soooooo beware of the lying 3 M's and Ms H. each has an agenda against Fleet White cause he wouldn't give M**e the time of day and she's been pissed at him ever since.

    Oh don't get us started on Nancy! lololol...
    I read the BPD interview on FFJ. Call me crazy, I just don't see obvious lies or delusions (some dates are a bit confused, i.e., she first says Fleet sr stopped abusing her in 1980, then it's 1990 but nothing that couldn't be expalined by nerves). The story is out there in that no one wants to think of such stuff going on but not unbelievable. She showed the officers notes and pictures from the Whites, she detailed a note from Uncle Johnny to her mother in 1974, she talked about being strangled to produce an effect for her abusers gratification (and maybe pornography) which has obvious ties to jonbent and the garotee (what intruder or non child abuser would think of such a thing??). She obviously knows the White family and has obviously been abused (i know i read that a BPD examination of her showed she had been abused recently as she said). There are some sick people out there, many who pass themselves off as respectable people....
    How and why would somone make up such elaborate stories with such ugly details (just so she can go into hiding)?
    Why haven't FW or JR sued her if untrue??

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    Iron, I love it when new people post at WS. It is how we keep things fresh. Everyone is welcome.

    Please don't take this wrong but I don't believe for one second you are a "newbie."

    I will not respond to your Krebs thread. I know where this is going. I can spot it a mile away.

    Working on www.supportramseytruth.com and nothing is going to distract me.

    Nice try.

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    Iron

    Welcome to the forum!

    Regarding the Krebs story - to quote Patsy Ramsey "Don't go their pal" :-)

    The Ramsey forums have a complex group structure. Membership of these groups depends on a variety of factors but principally, on how the posters articulate the case AND the quality of the case information the posters have been exposed to.

    Websleuths is a friendly forum and we welcome newbies. However, there are certain discussion topics which are extremely sensitive and this is one of them. Nancy Krebs is a sideshow which never fails to cause ructions. It is also one which is started deliberately - "to disrupt".

    Because of this, you will find your questions are either treated with suspicion or simply ignored.

    For my part, I know nothing about the Nancy Krebs sideshow and nor do I wish to. The issues appear to be confused and conflicting. Besides, I believe it has little bearing on the Ramsey case.
    This is only my opinion

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    I suggest you try Cybersleuths Iron....there is one or two posters on it, just crazy about the AIM and Nancy! No way you are a newbie. In fact the only place I've read about AIM and Nancy was on Cybersleuths......
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    Quote Originally Posted by iron
    ... there are documented paedophile ring cases ...
    Hmm. British spelling. Isn't the poster "Horace Mills" (ardent Fleet White hater) a Brit?

    Not that there's anything wrong with Brits. Some of my best friends are Brits. ;-)

    IMO

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    Again, people love a good yarn, a good boogeyman story, a good paranoia driven conspiracy. It's a lot easier than dealing with the truth, which requires discipline and a moral sense.

    Btw, it would be nice if posters would include their area of residence.

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    Cool

    Never heard of her.

    RR

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat
    Never heard of her.

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    Funny RR, I have never heard of her either. She doesn't seem to be the type of person I'd trust though! Just sayin'.
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