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View Poll Results: Who is the Third Party that Arranged Gabe's Handoff?

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  • Tammi

    28 52.83%
  • Jack

    1 1.89%
  • Tammi's attorney friend

    5 9.43%
  • The HG

    4 7.55%
  • Janet

    6 11.32%
  • Someone from a Domestic Violence Shelter

    1 1.89%
  • Someone still unknown at this point

    7 13.21%
  • There is no third party

    1 1.89%

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  1. #1

    Who is the Third Party that Arranged Gabe's Handoff?

    Who is the Third Party that arranged Gabe's Hand Off? Let's come up with our best candidates.

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    Last edited by BeanE; 04-01-2010 at 12:21 AM.

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    IMO . . .

    #1 -- TS
    #2 -- JM
    #3 -- someone TS or JM put EJ in contact with (i.e. HG)

    Obviously, I think one of the two (or both) have a hand in this. Maybe not directly, but at least pointed her in the right direction. Either gave her another name or a place to go to in San Antonio.
    100 years from now, it won't matter what kind of car you drove or how big your house was. What will matter is that you were important in the eyes of a child.


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    TayJay

    JM
    I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.
    ― Franklin D. Roosevelt


    Gabriel Johnson and Sylar Newton. Come home safely Gabriel Johnson! RIP Sweet Sylar.

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    Should I add a poll? I could make it a write-in poll.

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    Sure, BeanE, it might be interesting!
    100 years from now, it won't matter what kind of car you drove or how big your house was. What will matter is that you were important in the eyes of a child.


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    I think it is HG. He was either hired by TS or he is the "handler" from whatever adoption agency she went with. In either case he was there to make sure EJ was comfortable, didn't run off and things went smoothly. JMO

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    I'm going to throw my hat into the ring for Jack and Tammi. Seems the most logical choice. It's not a big playing field, Elizabeth being a loner and all.

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    I say TayJay as EJ did not seem to have enough time or know how to find someone else experienced in illegal adoptions

    I really think this third party that she trusted had some knowledge of the adoption business or some help with someone in the adoption business
    Here are the coincidences that I think point to the third party having some kind of adoption know how:

    Elizabeth trusted this third party to arrange for an adoptive couple

    She went to San Antonio of all places, a city with a surplus of those in the adoption business, some of whom have had questionable business dealings in this area

    She stayed at the Homegate, a hotel known for housing mothers ready to give up their children for adoption (what are the chances that she accidently ended up there?)

    She had purpose while she was in San Antonio, and did not seem to do anything randomly-- someone was instructing her -- someone gave her direction

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    I think JM is the 3rd party with the assistance of TS. TS knows the 3rd party, just not the couple or where Gabriel is currently at. JM found the couple-probably a couple that she was unable to do a legal adoption with in the past. JMO

    Oh when I said TS assisted, I meant she made EJ feel comfortable about the plan. I think TS thinks if she didn't know the couple directly and didn't arrange the actual meeting than she's innocent...not the case but maybe that's why she went on a media blitz screaming about her innocence. She set EJ up with JM and knew the plan.
    Last edited by TXHOPE; 03-31-2010 at 07:04 PM. Reason: added some stuff

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    Me thinks TS is in as deep as her last colonic.


  11. #11
    I'll throw my 2 cents on this one: Whoever setup the meeting between EJ and TS.

    Because I have never believed the airport "chance" meeting told by TS and EJ, I can't rule out EJ as having a higher connection than TS. Why couldn't that meeting also have been orchestrated by the same "third party"?

    Everything could lead back to EJ initiating the search for someone or some group that had the contacts/means for whatever she was hoping to pull off.

    I have found very little information about EJ's social life prior to TS coming into the picture. Has anyone been able to sleuth known associates in her life? Are we able to do that?? I remember awhile back someone asked about the friend that had commented on EJ's myspace a few times earlier last year- did anything come about?

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    I think it was a friend or relative of Tammi & Jacks and that this entire situation was orchestrated and put into action by none other than Tammi Smith herself. I don't think EJ has a clue who these people are, just that Tammi said they were good people and that was good enough for EJ.

  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    I say TayJay as EJ did not seem to have enough time or know how to find someone else experienced in illegal adoptions

    I really think this third party that she trusted had some knowledge of the adoption business or some help with someone in the adoption business
    Here are the coincidences that I think point to the third party having some kind of adoption know how:

    Elizabeth trusted this third party to arrange for an adoptive couple

    She went to San Antonio of all places, a city with a surplus of those in the adoption business, some of whom have had questionable business dealings in this area

    She stayed at the Homegate, a hotel known for housing mothers ready to give up their children for adoption (what are the chances that she accidently ended up there?)

    She had purpose while she was in San Antonio, and did not seem to do anything randomly-- someone was instructing her -- someone gave her direction
    I'm with the PI. No adoption. Gabe's being hidden.

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    TayJay, with HG as a possible middleman. EJ's movements - her choice of city/hotel/park were too specific to have been random, last minute choices. She was instructed and controlled from before she even left Arizona.

    As always, MOO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchthatitch View Post
    I'll throw my 2 cents on this one: Whoever setup the meeting between EJ and TS.

    Because I have never believed the airport "chance" meeting told by TS and EJ, I can't rule out EJ as having a higher connection than TS. Why couldn't that meeting also have been orchestrated by the same "third party"?

    Everything could lead back to EJ initiating the search for someone or some group that had the contacts/means for whatever she was hoping to pull off.

    I have found very little information about EJ's social life prior to TS coming into the picture. Has anyone been able to sleuth known associates in her life? Are we able to do that?? I remember awhile back someone asked about the friend that had commented on EJ's myspace a few times earlier last year- did anything come about?
    I read some MS comments from EJ to what seems to be a very good friend. They are from 2006, 2007 and 2008. There are some interesting things that EJ wrote about. One entry from 2006 talks about not seeing this friend for 3 years. EJ always adds in the comments "love ya" "miss you" or "take care sweetie". IMO this is/was a good friend of EJs. 2007 entries indicate EJ is in Boston. 01/07 she talks about doing a jewelry show in Tucson. 10/07 states she is driving somewhere with the help of a friend and then she mentions a females name of who she will be living with. Last entry to each other was 3/2008 of what I can see. I wonder if they lost touch or if comments were deleted? This party has not logged on since 9/09 to MS.

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