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    Just want to share some of the unknown consequences of this not so honest story.

    Some time ago, my computer crashed as a result of getting a virus while researching Benjamans case. My computer hung on for sometime until it finally pooped. Was it the direct fault of Mr. Kyle, no..... but it was the direct result of sleuthing his case, believing he was a victim of some sort who needed our help.

    What hurts, is sadly I was unable to finance a new computer for sometime. It was giong to take me approximately 3 months to budget for a new tower. Instead, Anna Waters mother, Annasmom, who spends countless hours here with a LEGITIMATE story as the mother of a 5 year old missing child who has been missing for 37 years without answers, sent me a money order to replace the tower because she believed my time, efforts and willingness to help victims was important enough she did not want to see me offline for 3 months.

    So this fabricated story ultimately had an unintentional consequence which affected a victim with a legitimate case- where those funds and time could have been utilized for a real victim, who really wanted our help. Very sad in my opinion.

    I don't particularly want or care for the reasons WHY this was concocted and why for so long Mr. Kyle did not correct the misinformation presented regarding his case. He is the one who has to live with this, and the consequences of the story.......Along with any repercussions for allowing the false and misstated information going on for so long.

    I just thought it was important to share, perhaps we won't know the full consequences of just how many this hurt. In a way, I think this hoax indirectly affected Annasmom, who could have spent that money (money from the procees of her book searching for Anna which she donates for such worthy causes) for missing children, or other worthy causes. I am forever greatful she thought enough to offer this to me out of the kindness of her heart. I guess we are all fooled sometimes. It just hurts to see this...... Who knows how many countless hours have been wasted which could have been better spent elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Just want to share some of the unknown consequences of this not so honest story.

    Some time ago, my computer crashed as a result of getting a virus while researching Benjamans case. My computer hung on for sometime until it finally pooped. Was it the direct fault of Mr. Kyle, no..... but it was the direct result of sleuthing his case, believing he was a victim of some sort who needed our help.

    What hurts, is sadly I was unable to finance a new computer for sometime. It was giong to take me approximately 3 months to budget for a new tower. Instead, Anna Waters mother, Annasmom, who spends countless hours here with a LEGITIMATE story having a 5 year old missing child who has been missing for 37 years without answers, and a legitimate real missing child, sent me a money order to replace the tower because she believed my time, efforts and willingness to help victims was important enough she did not want to see me offline for 3 months.

    So this fabricated story ultimately had an unintentional consequence which affected a victim with a legitimate case- where those funds and time could have been utilized for a real victim, who really wanted our help. Very sad in my opinion.

    I don't particularly want or care for the reasons WHY this was concocted and why for so long Mr. Kyle did not correct the misinformation presented regarding his case. He is the one who has to live with this, and the consequences of the story.......Along with any repercussions for allowing the false and misstated information going on for so long.

    I just thought it was important to share, perhaps we won't know the full consequences of just how many this hurt. In a way, I think this hoax indirectly affected Annasmom, who could have spent that money (money from the procees of her book searching for Anna which she donates for such worthy causes) for missing children, or other worthy causes. I am forever greatful she thought enough to offer this to me out of the kindness of her heart. I guess we are all fooled sometimes. It just hurts to see this...... Who knows how many countless hours have been wasted which could have been better spent elsewhere.
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    I really think it would be a good time for someone to hear something from BK on this matter.

    I, for one, am perfectly willing to hear him out.

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    I am still very sadden about this. I truely feel in my heart Mr. Kyle doesn't know who he is. To me, the finding of BK doe on Aug. 31, 2004 were never clear. I didn't come on here with the intent of finding out what happened, my intent is to help find who he is.

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    I agree with RKnowley.....how did these documents slip past the FBI? I just don't get it. I haven't been up on the case for a while, but I still don't see how.
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    I guess I am trying to figure out how, with all the research, no one thought to really check out his story from the beginning. If the police records didn't show any signs of him being beaten, why did people believe him? I'm not pointing fingers because I have no idea how to actually research. I just know that there are some really smart people on this website and I am surprised his lie lasted so long.

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    This case of Benjaman, from seeing it on the Dr Phil show, is what brought me to Websleuths. While I respect Tricia and this website very much, I would like to comment on something. Just because Benjaman didn't have head injuries (which I don't recall him saying, I believe it was news reporting this) at the time he was found at the dumpster, doesn't mean he didn't have amnesia prior. The police reports were very lacking, they just wrote him off as a homeless person.

    If there are documents to prove Benjaman is a fraud, then they are obviously public records, and those of us that have followed this case so closely for so long, and the ones that actively tried to sleuth, I think we deserve some proof, instead of secret reasons, why his thread was closed.

    I truly mean this respectfully, I would just like some answers, because what I read about this thread being closed doesn't answer the questions.

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    I am sad for the members who spent countless hours on this thread trying to find out Mr. Kyle's indentity. I usually have just lurked on this thread, and occasionally tried to compare missing people with him.

    What has bothered me is that nobody ever came forward to give him his identity...Even after being on Dr. Phil...


    I would just like to know who is his and what he is hiding....

    Makes me sad if this is true, especially for all who has been fooled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissieMt View Post
    I agree with RKnowley.....how did these documents slip past the FBI? I just don't get it. I haven't been up on the case for a while, but I still don't see how.

    Some documents are protected by law, and not open for public record. I believe some of those documents Mr. Kyle would have to give his permission for the FBI to have, or LE would have had to seek a court order to subpeona or get a search warrant for them. With as little time as LE has to spend on missing adults, especially white males, it is possible some things were not fully researched on LE's end when all they had was a John Doe.

    I can see things slipping by on John Does, it happens all the time. Look how many UID's we have listed at places like Doe Network or NamUs. LE isn't exactly making it a priority to name them, nor do they have the time or funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpedpa View Post
    If you tell yourself something long enough you begin to believe it......even if its not true....

    I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Some documents are protected by law, and not open for public record. I believe some of those documents Mr. Kyle would have to give his permission for the FBI to have, or LE would have had to seek a court order to subpeona or get a search warrant for them. With as little time as LE has to spend on missing adults, especially white males, it is possible some things were not fully researched on LE's end when all they had was a John Doe.

    I can see things slipping by on John Does, it happens all the time. Look how many UID's we have listed at places like Doe Network or NamUs. LE isn't exactly making it a priority to name them, nor do they have the time or funds.

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    I apologize. I certainly did not want to put anyone here on the defensive. I have never heard of the FBI having to get permission from a civilian to investigate them. I guess I still learn something new everyday. Thank You!
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    Does that mean that Mr. Kyle would have to give Tricia his permission for her to have them or that she would have to have a court order in order to have access to those records? If the FBI cannot have access to them how can an ordinary citizen gain access to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Some documents are protected by law, and not open for public record. I believe some of those documents Mr. Kyle would have to give his permission for the FBI to have, or LE would have had to seek a court order to subpeona or get a search warrant for them. With as little time as LE has to spend on missing adults, especially white males, it is possible some things were not fully researched on LE's end when all they had was a John Doe.

    I can see things slipping by on John Does, it happens all the time. Look how many UID's we have listed at places like Doe Network or NamUs. LE isn't exactly making it a priority to name them, nor do they have the time or funds.

    jmo

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    The above post was purely my speculation, based on my knowledge from the research we have done for so many years here on ALL John and Jane Does.

    I do not believe Mr. Kyle does not know his true identity. I firmly believe he fully knows who he is, where he came from, and what his background and circumstances where. IMO, his intention was to create a new identity for himself, which he has very obviously and certainly done. Why I don't know, but I do know he did it at the expense of countless concerned people. KNOWS what happened and chose purposely to allow any and all misinterpretations of his story be made public, grow and ignore, rather than correct false information he knew was made public in various media stories regarding his case. Why he chose to do that I personally do not care. I do care however, when it takes away time and resources from people who are in fact true victims.

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    Until I see proof of what you are claiming, I respectfully disagree.

    He has not been able to create a new identity for himself, other than a name he thinks might be his. How is this a new identity?

    Again, where are you getting this info that he is bogus?



    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    The above post was purely my speculation, based on my knowledge from the research we have done for so many years here on ALL John and Jane Does.

    I do not believe Mr. Kyle does not know his true identity. I firmly believe he fully knows who he is, where he came from, and what his background and circumstances where. IMO, his intention was to create a new identity for himself, which he has very obviously and certainly done. Why I don't know, but I do know he did it at the expense of countless concerned people. KNOWS what happened and chose purposely to allow any and all misinterpretations of his story be made public, grow and ignore, rather than correct false information he knew was made public in various media stories regarding his case. Why he chose to do that I personally do not care. I do care however, when it takes away time and resources from people who are in fact true victims.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKnowley View Post
    I guess I'm a little confused (nothing new for me)???? Haven't we always known that Benjaman didn't have any physical signs of being beaten or head injuries when he was found by the dumpster? What we did know was that he was found naked, sunburned, had sores & was unresponsive next to a dumpster at Burger King. We also knew he was taken to the hospital where he spent several weeks. We knew that he didn't have any alcohol or drugs in his system and that his liver showed no signs of damage. I guess I also don't understand how he could have fooled the FBI and was hypnotized and researched by the staff of Dr. Phil and they found nothing on him. What would his explanation be for doing this sort of thing? He was not taking any personal donations, wouldn't apply for alien status so that he could get a social security number, etc. I guess I just don't get it. Such a sad world if this is all true.
    Will try to address your questions to the best of my knowledge.

    1. Haven't we always known that Benjaman didn't have any physical signs of being beaten or head injuries when he was found by the dumpster?

    Originally, all we knew was what was being reported in the media, which is that Benjaman had been beaten, had 3 contusions to the head. This information was provided to various media by BK and/or NB repeatedly. Subsequent statements from two detectives with RHPD refuted this information. They state that BK had NO injuries to any part of his body, including his head, as a result of an assault or act of crime. RHPD also states this is reflected in EMT reports.

    2. What we did know was that he was found naked, sunburned, had sores & was unresponsive next to a dumpster at Burger King.

    According to RHPD detectives, BK was found naked but was not sunburned nor had sores. He was covered in scabies. RHPD states this is also reflected in EMT reports. RHPD also stated that BK was not "unresponsive". He was sleeping near the dumpster inside the corral when officers arrived on the scene but was easily aroused. The "unresponsive" description was in relation to his reluctance to answer any questions posed by officers, apart from complaining of back pain.

    It should also be noted here that RHPD reports that there is a homeless camp less than 50 yds from the dumpster corral behind the Burger King, running by railroad tracks, that was (and still is) frequently visited by RHPD. On several occasions, officers have walked back to do a "well check" only to find unclothed males engaged in sexual activity. (As a local, this camp is common knowledge to the community as well)

    Let me also clarify the information about a police report. There is no police report. There IS an incident report. Upon arriving at the scene, it was determined that a crime had NOT been committed, nor was suspected of having been committed. This call became a call for medical assistance and transport. HAD there been any evidence of a crime scene, a police report would have been filed and an investigation would have been opened. This was NOT the case.

    There have been online allegations that RHPD botched this case by not documenting a crime in a police report, nor opening an investigation. RHPD is accused of "dropping the ball" to the detriment of BK.

    However, once BK arrived at St Joseph and was examined by the ER doctor, had that doctor seen ANY evidence that a crime or assault had been committed upon BK, he would have been required BY LAW to contact LE in the jurisdiction where the alleged crime took place, Richmond Hill. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.

    So if RHPD "dropped the ball", did St Joe's drop it as well? Did BOTH agencies miss these obvious signs of assault? RHPD states they were never contacted by St Josephs in regards to this patient.

    3. We also knew he was taken to the hospital where he spent several weeks.

    BK was admitted to St Joseph's for treatment of scabies for two weeks (per NB), I am told he was then transferred to Georgia Regional Hospital (psych hospital) for a few days and then transferred to Memorial Hospital where he underwent a surgical procedure unrelated to his cataracts. He was discharged to the JC Lewis Health Center (part of Mission Union/United Way) for post surgical care and then transferred to Grace House, a men's residential shelter where he eventually underwent surgery on his eye for cataract. This information is provided on the Mission Union website.

    4. We knew that he didn't have any alcohol or drugs in his system and that his liver showed no signs of damage.

    The above statement has been claimed by NB but due to HIPPA laws, has not been confirmed.

    5. I guess I also don't understand how he could have fooled the FBI and was hypnotized and researched by the staff of Dr. Phil and they found nothing on him.

    I am not under the impression he has fooled the FBI on anything. The incident of August 2004 at Burger King did NOT involve a crime so am not sure why some are suspecting the FBI is investigating anything. I believe the FBI would certainly lend their assistance if provided with information that may help determine the true identity of BK, but do not believe seeking BK's identity is a top priority for local agents.

    The Dr Phil aspect is very interesting. Dr Phil did appear to be very interested in helping in the beginning, but according to a posting on this forum by BK, Dr Phil's show will no longer take his calls. Dr Phil apparently seems to have pulled his investigator from the case as well. Wonder why??

    6. What would his explanation be for doing this sort of thing?

    This is pure speculation on my part, and believe me, I have thought long and hard about it. I will also say that I have been convinced for a multitude of reasons from the beginning that BK was homeless prior to that August morning. When I learned the true condition in which he was found, in relation to the homeless camp as described by RHPD, it became more clear to me.

    I personally wonder if BK has no desire to return to where he came from and is instead, much more comfortable in the life that has been created for him. I have other strong suspicions of possible motives but until they can be documented, I will keep them to myself.

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