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Body Language Analysis of Irwin Case Players
I ran across this YouTube video from Craig-James Baxter in which he analyzes the body language of Baby Lisa's parents, particularly JI.
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Arghh, can someone please tell me how to embed correctly?
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Arghh, can someone please tell me how to embed correctly?
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Just copy and paste the link into the reply.. no need to embed. 
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11-13-2011, 04:28 PM
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11-13-2011, 04:49 PM
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Who is Craig-James Baxter? TIA
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11-13-2011, 04:56 PM
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Who is Craig-James Baxter? TIA
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He's a professional in the UK. I read up on him a bit before posting his videos to make sure he's not a total kook.
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He's a professional in the UK. I read up on him a bit before posting his videos to make sure he's not a total kook.
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His video's related to this case are very interesting.
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11-13-2011, 05:11 PM
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He's a professional in the UK. I read up on him a bit before posting his videos to make sure he's not a total kook.
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Thanks. All I could find was his facebook page and a link to an online class he took. I'll take your word for it.
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very interesting video, thanks for posting. I have been on the fence about MW. I felt that she has been trying too hard to clear her name. After watching this video I am leaning towards the guilty side, but still not sure if she was directly involved or just knows about what happened.
I remember reading that MW and Jersey broke up, does anyone remember if it was the same night BL went missing?????
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11-13-2011, 05:15 PM
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I remember reading that MW and Jersey broke up, does anyone remember if it was the same night BL went missing?????
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I've read/heard somewhere that it was a couple of weeks prior to the disappearance. If I run across it I'll link it.
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I think it is normal for a person to be nervous in a television interview if the person has no experience with it. Also, the stressful situation she is in to begin with. On the other hand, I have always doubted her story, she doesn't seem credible to me.
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I think it is normal for a person to be nervous in a television interview if the person has no experience with it. Also, the stressful situation she is in to begin with. On the other hand, I have always doubted her story, she doesn't seem credible to me.
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I have asked MW several questions on FB and she has always been very forthcoming and doesn't seem to be hiding anything. I believe her, but not sure about Jersey, even though LE says they have cleared him. Seems LE has cleared everyone except DB and JI.
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I have asked MW several questions on FB and she has always been very forthcoming and doesn't seem to be hiding anything. I believe her, but not sure about Jersey, even though LE says they have cleared him. Seems LE has cleared everyone except DB and JI.
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Moved on. Not cleared. I'm beginning to think, the answer is the most simple of all. The one that makes a little sense. Jersey. He's been in jail. If not for that, maybe he would've talked by now or they could have followed him to watch is whereabouts. MOO
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11-13-2011, 04:49 PM
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This is so interesting!!! Thanks!
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11-13-2011, 05:03 PM
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Love that he calls Tacopina "the family solicitor" haha
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Love that he calls Tacopina "the family solicitor" haha
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Just an FYI. In this part of the world (UK, Ireland etc) we call lawyers solicitors!
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Thanks for starting this thread. I finally must be getting better at catching these micro expressions. I noticed JI's expression at the word "pray" too. It's captured at about the 10:45 mark. IMO, JI has discomfort trying to be (or appear) hopeful when he already knows what happened.
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Or maybe he made that expression because he is not religious or feels that the statement was hypocritical. My very religious sister in law was very angry with God after my brother passed away very young and suddenly. She refused to step foot in a church for over a year. When people told her to pray she would roll her eyes. She didn't kill my brother but she certainly didn't really want to hear about praying or any of that. She was left a young widow with 2 little kids. This woman has a heart of gold and is actually very strong faith-but I would be willing to bet that if she had a cMera in her face at the time she would appear a very different person than she actually was.
Oh-and I never once saw her cry even though I know that she was devastated and still has not and never will recover from his death.
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Or maybe he made that expression because he is not religious or feels that the statement was hypocritical. My very religious sister in law was very angry with God after my brother passed away very young and suddenly. She refused to step foot in a church for over a year. When people told her to pray she would roll her eyes. She didn't kill my brother but she certainly didn't really want to hear about praying or any of that. She was left a young widow with 2 little kids. This woman has a heart of gold and is actually very strong faith-but I would be willing to bet that if she had a cMera in her face at the time she would appear a very different person than she actually was.
Oh-and I never once saw her cry even though I know that she was devastated and still has not and never will recover from his death.JMO
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I didn't cry at my dad's wake, either. Not because my heart wasn't broken into a million pieces (I was 15, he was my hero), but because I thought he'd want me to be "strong" and I was trying my best. I'm sure there were those in attendance who thought I was a kook, or otherwise mal-adjusted.
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I'm sorry but this is a bunch of hogwash as my dad used to say. How can you possibly tell what a person is thinking by expressions? You have no way of knowing their baseline which would tell lots more IMO. But still, MW could have been very nervous or even cold! Oh my gosh. Put a camera in front of someone's face and you will guarantee they will behave differently. Why is reality tv so popular? IMOmthe is no way to tell what a particular person is thinking when they are in front of a camera and are discussing such a horrible situation??? This is precisely why these analises and LDTs are not admissible in court. While interesting, I find none of this mans analises to be helpful in finding the truth about what happened to BL. JMO
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Body Language Expert Weighs in on Lisa Irwin’s Parents
http://fox4kc.com/2011/10/14/body-la...CvfIWKrQdf8BMq
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I'm sorry but this is a bunch of hogwash as my dad used to say. How can you possibly tell what a person is thinking by expressions? You have no way of knowing their baseline which would tell lots more IMO. But still, MW could have been very nervous or even cold! Oh my gosh. Put a camera in front of someone's face and you will guarantee they will behave differently. Why is reality tv so popular? IMOmthe is no way to tell what a particular person is thinking when they are in front of a camera and are discussing such a horrible situation??? This is precisely why these analises and LDTs are not admissible in court. While interesting, I find none of this mans analises to be helpful in finding the truth about what happened to BL. JMO
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Thank you! I've searched the man from these videos and I can't find anything more than some youtube videos he made and a facebook page. Hopefully the OP will provide some of the links she found that convinced her of his credibility.
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I'm sorry but this is a bunch of hogwash as my dad used to say. How can you possibly tell what a person is thinking by expressions? You have no way of knowing their baseline which would tell lots more IMO. But still, MW could have been very nervous or even cold! Oh my gosh. Put a camera in front of someone's face and you will guarantee they will behave differently. Why is reality tv so popular? IMOmthe is no way to tell what a particular person is thinking when they are in front of a camera and are discussing such a horrible situation??? This is precisely why these analises and LDTs are not admissible in court. While interesting, I find none of this mans analises to be helpful in finding the truth about what happened to BL. JMO
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He says the embrace doesn't show happiness? WHAAAT? This is a parent's worst nightmare. Also he keeps showing JI's mouth expression, to me it's total shock and sadness but this guy interprets it as deception.
Imagine being married to one of these so called experts? Honey, what's for dinner? Meatloaf? Now honey, you must be lying because you're looking to the left. Why do you keep touching your nose? I bet it's pizza.
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He says the embrace doesn't show happiness? WHAAAT? This is a parent's worst nightmare. Also he keeps showing JI's mouth expression, to me it's total shock and sadness but this guy interprets it as deception.
Imagine being married to one of these so called experts? Honey, what's for dinner? Meatloaf? Now honey, you must be lying because you're looking to the left. Why do you keep touching your nose? I bet it's pizza.
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OMG, you owe me a pair of new pj's. I just read this and my whole mouth full of dr. pepper is now on my new pj's. Thank you for lightening the moment for me. Hugs. 
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He says the embrace doesn't show happiness? WHAAAT? This is a parent's worst nightmare. Also he keeps showing JI's mouth expression, to me it's total shock and sadness but this guy interprets it as deception.
Imagine being married to one of these so called experts? Honey, what's for dinner? Meatloaf? Now honey, you must be lying because you're looking to the left. Why do you keep touching your nose? I bet it's pizza.
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It reminds me of Terri Horman and Kaine! JMO
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