PA_ 4th graders attempt to rape 8 yr old in school bathroom

[peeples]

this is beyond words, I don't even know where to start


http://www.kcci.com/news/29888321/de...1bff9b69074be2

Three 10-and-11-year-olds charged with attempted rape and indecent sexual assault of a classmate.

[krimekat]

Who are these "breeders" that are not raising their offspring ?

That is where the issue lies . . . just plain NASTY!

No one could PAY me to live in Philly - that place is worse than StL

[Filly]

Originally Posted by krimekat

No one could PAY me to live in Philly - that place is worse than StL

Hey, hey, hey now. Worse than Saint Louis? Them's fightin' words.

In all seriousness this child's mother was on the news last week. You want for sad? They shielded her identity, but my heart broke for her and her little guy.

This school is at 56th and Baltimore. That's no joke right around there. It's no excuse of course, but I don't believe the child skipped any grade, and I have no doubt these same kids would have no problem attacking a full a*s grown person.

They are part of some co-op with University Of Pennsylvania. The mere fact some of the kids even make it to school is basically a feat in itself. Again no excuse. I'm not personally familiar with the school, but I'm gonna guess that bathroom privledges are the least of some of the teachers worries on a daily basis. Maybe now they will be.




http://webgui.phila.k12.pa.us/schools/b/bryant

[katydid23]

In the article they said that during this time all students ' are required to visit the bathroom in pairs.' Imo, they should have been doing that all along. I have never seen an elementary school that didn't send the kids in pairs. ?

[not_my_kids]

I love my son's school...each classroom has it's own bathroom.

ETA: Just read the article, it took me a little while to get the guts to do it. It makes me wonder what the older kids said for it to become an attempted rape charge...they had to show some kind of intent to do more than just beat him up. And is this kid really a classmate, or just a schoolmate of his attackers? If he is a classmate of 10 and 11 year old's, and he is 8, then I really have some questions.

[not_my_kids]

The advanced student is in the same grade and class as his alleged 10-year-old attackers.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...ime&id=8447643

Found my answer, they must have let him skip a grade or two. That's why I always feel so torn when someone asks my advice on having a child skip a grade....intellectually they are ready, but socially are they ready to handle other kids, and with bullying the way it is...I don't know if I'd ever let my kids do it. I think I'd just switch to homeschool or let them advance with their peers.

[Trident]

Originally Posted by not_my_kids

The advanced student is in the same grade and class as his alleged 10-year-old attackers.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...ime&id=8447643

Found my answer, they must have let him skip a grade or two. That's why I always feel so torn when someone asks my advice on having a child skip a grade....intellectually they are ready, but socially are they ready to handle other kids, and with bullying the way it is...I don't know if I'd ever let my kids do it. I think I'd just switch to homeschool or let them advance with their peers.

My mother refused to let me skip a grade, and I believe it did me a lot of harm. I was bored to death where I was, and quit taking school seriously. I regretted that in later years.

[HMSHood]

This is probably how Jerry Sandusky started.

[Filly]

Originally Posted by HMSHood

This is probably how Jerry Sandusky started.

Very well could be, but it's not where he started. He came from a two parent home. He didn't have to dodge drug dealers, step over dirty needles, watch crack addicts beating eachother senseless and got thrown a bag of Cheeto's for breakfast.

Again this isn't excusing the violent behavior of the kids involved. However Sandusky would have acted alone I am certain. How is it you get more than one kid willing to participate in a sexual assault against another child?

As much as I hate to admit it for the mere fact Krimekat could go "See, Philly worse than StL" we've had numerous sexual assaults of students against students in grade schools here. I'm pretty sure I've posted at least one of them in the past.

[kgeaux]

Originally Posted by not_my_kids

The advanced student is in the same grade and class as his alleged 10-year-old attackers.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...ime&id=8447643

Found my answer, they must have let him skip a grade or two. That's why I always feel so torn when someone asks my advice on having a child skip a grade....intellectually they are ready, but socially are they ready to handle other kids, and with bullying the way it is...I don't know if I'd ever let my kids do it. I think I'd just switch to homeschool or let them advance with their peers.

I learned to read at age three and started kindergarten at age 4. I also skipped seventh grade. I enrolled in college at 16. I am no genius, but school would have been excruciating if I would have had to drag through those extra years. As a parent of bright kids, I DID choose to homeschool, not because I was afraid older kids would hurt my boys, but because I wanted their love of learning to flourish.

How horrible that this child suffered this harm.

[Lori_TX]

Originally Posted by Trident

My mother refused to let me skip a grade, and I believe it did me a lot of harm. I was bored to death where I was, and quit taking school seriously. I regretted that in later years.

A little O/T but...

I am going through this with my own 8 year old son right now. Intellectually, he needs to be in a higher grade level but I'm terrified he will be bullied. I am so torn, and he has started not caring about school or his grades. He's been bored since he entered kindergarten, he's in the gifted program (which at our school is a joke) and he just can't take the non challenge anymore. It has to be mind numbing to sit there day after day when you already know the answers. His teacher has actually told him not to raise his hand to answer questions anymore because the other kids need an opportunity to learn. I understand his loss of motivation at this point, but I do not know what is best for him - whether to move ahead or continue on this path that we are on. I don't want him to forever lose interest in school because a limit was placed on his ability and potential. I also don't want to put him in a situation that he is emotionally not prepared to handle. Even though he has always had a hard time relating to children his age, and relates better with older kids and adults, I am still worried. The gifted coordinator told me that he has trouble relating because his thought process is more like that of an adult and not like that of a typical 4th grader, so maybe he would be just fine. I am afraid to decide either way because it will impact his life so greatly no matter what. This is a tough one...

[not_my_kids]

Originally Posted by Lori_TX

A little O/T but...

I am going through this with my own 8 year old son right now. Intellectually, he needs to be in a higher grade level but I'm terrified he will be bullied. I am so torn, and he has started not caring about school or his grades. He's been bored since he entered kindergarten, he's in the gifted program (which at our school is a joke) and he just can't take the non challenge anymore. It has to be mind numbing to sit there day after day when you already know the answers. His teacher has actually told him not to raise his hand to answer questions anymore because the other kids need an opportunity to learn. I understand his loss of motivation at this point, but I do not know what is best for him - whether to move ahead or continue on this path that we are on. I don't want him to forever lose interest in school because a limit was placed on his ability and potential. I also don't want to put him in a situation that he is emotionally not prepared to handle. Even though he has always had a hard time relating to children his age, and relates better with older kids and adults, I am still worried. The gifted coordinator told me that he has trouble relating because his thought process is more like that of an adult and not like that of a typical 4th grader, so maybe he would be just fine. I am afraid to decide either way because it will impact his life so greatly no matter what. This is a tough one...

Change schools to where the program isn't so much of a joke. Get him a private tutor. See if he can finish out the year on a schedule that includes half days and days out of school with the district's permission if you don't want to skip him up a grade.

I was that kid. My fourth grade MEAPS, I had to take them over, alll by myself in a little tiny room, because the principal believed that somehow, someway, I had been given the answers. 8 year olds aren't supposed to have scores that place them at a post graduate school level.

My mother wouldn't let me skip a grade. She only allowed me to go to school for K-2, 3rd and 4th were at a small private school where I made hundreds of dollars a month by doing the high schoolers papers and essays. My mother homeschooled me for 5th (or so she says, I remember lots of TV, no schooling though). I went to a small magnet program in 6th, they wanted to advance me to 7th at the end of the first marking period. She didn't allow it and in fact pulled me out of school completely for 7th, 8th, and 9th. In 10th grade, I was put into foster care, and in order to get me back, she had to enroll me in school, so she did. At the worst highschool in the district, where I was bored and terrified for my safety every single day. They wanted to advance me to 11th, once again, she wouldn't allow it. I dropped out at semester break, and went back for my GED at 19. If she would have skipped me up a grade, it would have been just as bad, because no one wants to be friends with the freaky kid that skipped a grade. If she had found me a program where they focused less on grade levels and more on individual levels of achievement, it would have been perfect, but she didn't do that. And there was one in our area that would have been ideal. Our public schools aren't set up to handle kids that are very far ahead of the curve, and that hurts everyone. The other kids feel like they are behind, even though they aren't. The kid that's ahead feels incredibly alone and different, and usually ends up dropping out as soon as they can because they are bored. That wasn't just my experience, there were a lot of people that were taking their GED for the same reason I was, they were too bored to finish high school.

Look into the alternative programs, because if you leave him somewhere where he's just stagnating, you're running the risk of emotional and behavioral problems on an epic scale. I know, I've been there. Good luck. No one ever told you that having an exceptional child would be harder than having an average one, did they? LOL.

[josie1986]

what the acutal frick? i don't even know what to say about this.

totally shocked

[Fairy1]

This story is chilling to me. These kids are 10 and 11 years old, FGS! I couldn't even look at a boy when I was 11! There was absolutely -0- on my radar sexually. Where are they learning this carp?

[Trident]

Originally Posted by Fairy1

This story is chilling to me. These kids are 10 and 11 years old, FGS! I couldn't even look at a boy when I was 11! There was absolutely -0- on my radar sexually. Where are they learning this carp?

Try all the wonderful, educational, uplifting carp on TV.

[not_my_kids]

Someone had to teach those kids that sex was a weapon. That is not a connection that most 10 and 11 year olds would make on their own. Now, I'm not saying they were necessarily abused themselves, just that someone has taught them exactly what sex was, and that it could be used to inflict pain and control. Pretty bad that this is what we are coming to.

[PeteyGirl]

Children who do this have been sexually abused/victimized themselves. I hope they take a good long look at those boys' families.

When he was 4 years old, my son and a 6 year old friend of his were found by their daycare provider doing a sex act that children would not "discover" on their own. I told the daycare provider if she didn't call CPS that I would (this is a couple of days later, I spent those first two days freaking out and trying to find a therapist for my son lol).

Turns out the older boy was being sexually abused by his 12 year old brother, who in turn was being raped by an adult family member.

My son was FINE. He was upset and frightened at the adult reactions, but not by the sex act. The other boy was his little friend. The child did not return to the daycare after this, but we did hear a year later what CPS found in their investigation. The child psychologist I consulted gave me direction on how to discuss the situation with my son but didn't feel he needed treatment.

[cluciano63]

Originally Posted by PeteyGirl

Children who do this have been sexually abused/victimized themselves. I hope they take a good long look at those boys' families.

When he was 4 years old, my son and a 6 year old friend of his were found by their daycare provider doing a sex act that children would not "discover" on their own. I told the daycare provider if she didn't call CPS that I would (this is a couple of days later, I spent those first two days freaking out and trying to find a therapist for my son lol).

Turns out the older boy was being sexually abused by his 12 year old brother, who in turn was being raped by an adult family member.

My son was FINE. He was upset and frightened at the adult reactions, but not by the sex act. The other boy was his little friend. The child did not return to the daycare after this, but we did hear a year later what CPS found in their investigation. The child psychologist I consulted gave me direction on how to discuss the situation with my son but didn't feel he needed treatment.

I don't know if a blanket statement can be made, that any child who would commit an act like must have been sexually abused. Sexual talk/play/acting out, etc...is far more prevalent than we might like to think in middle school and sometimes even younger. And some kids are more prone to violence or aggressive behavior. Although I would guess that if a court case results, that will be the defense...JMO

[PeteyGirl]

Originally Posted by cluciano63

I don't know if a blanket statement can be made, that any child who would commit an act like must have been sexually abused. Sexual talk/play/acting out, etc...is far more prevalent than we might like to think in middle school and sometimes even younger. And some kids are more prone to violence or aggressive behavior. Although I would guess that if a court case results, that will be the defense...JMO

Agreed, just for logic's sake.

If the perpetrators were themselves abused or not, it should not absolve them, or reduce the nature of the charges placed against them.

Children of this age are able to make independent decisions, but I do believe those decisions are influenced more heavily by experience than those same acts perpetuated by an adult.

If anything, this possibility should be investigated so that any adult perpetrators are revealed.

I also agree that a child with a predisposition for aggression and violence will react with aggression and violence moreso than a more mild and passive child who endured the same abuse.

This discernment is important, and in no way do I mean to imply that the victimization these boys may have endured should absolve them. It just means there is more to the story, and possibly "hidden" perps of sexual abuse that need to be revealed and dealt with.