FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15

[imamaze]

Michelle (Shelly) Parker has been missing since November 17, 2011. She dropped off her twins with their father, who she is not married to and no one has seen her since.
She last had contact with her brother on November 17, around 4:30pm. It was a text she was in Waterford. A search is underway. Her cellphone powered off at 8:08pm 11/17.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/police...g-woman/nFg3d/


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[Skully]

I keep reading all the posts regarding what set Dll off that day and to tell you the truth, I don't think it was just about THAT DAY. I think he has been simmering for awhile now. She is BEAUTIFUL, great figure, well dressed, make up perfect and works with people who love her and drives a hummer that is in his name. She has the kids, the family the new career, what more could he be envious of.... oh ya the new BF. I think being on TV was a big perk for him, this time he was in the light, but maybe just maybe she showed him up there too.. Anyway, I can see how he could be jealous of her and her life. I could see him not wanting to give her up. Some one told me that love and hate are not far apart, but when you are indiffernt to the person, you don't love them any more, you are done. This guy was still mad about the ring, he wanted justice. Was it all about the ring? Really? "Just say'n"


ps Sometimes just being alive, happy and living your life sets them off....

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by Bern

I keep reading all the posts regarding what set Dll off that day and to tell you the truth, I don't think it was just about THAT DAY. I think he has been simmering for awhile now. She is BEAUTIFUL, great figure, well dressed, make up perfect and works with people who love her and drives a hummer that is in his name. She has the kids, the family the new career, what more could he be envious of.... oh ya the new BF. I think being on TV was a big perk for him, this time he was in the light, but maybe just maybe she showed him up there too.. Anyway, I can see how he could be jealous of her and her life. I could see him not wanting to give her up. Some one told me that love and hate are not far apart, but when you are indiffernt to the person, you don't love them any more, you are done. This guy was still mad about the ring, he wanted justice. Was it all about the ring? Really? "Just say'n"

Dale seems like a control freak. He was losing control and the girl of his dreams rejected him on public tv. I believe this set him off. He looked like a little wimpy puppy on that show with his tail between his legs. Michelle and the judge mocked him *and exposed him for the weak woman beater he was. He looked like a coward who had to break cameras and punch windows to prevent himself from hurting people. The loose cannon could not hold back the rage any longer. He snapped. He left her to suffer somewhere.*IMO

[~n/t~]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Dale seems like a control freak. He was losing control and the girl of his dreams rejected him on public tv. I believe this set him off. He looked like a little wimpy puppy on that show with his tail between his legs. Michelle and the judge mocked him *and exposed him for the weak woman beater he was. He looked like a coward who had to break cameras and punch windows to prevent himself from hurting people. The loose cannon could not hold back the rage any longer. He snapped. He left her to suffer somewhere.*IMO

5 months later? If anything, I think he would've snapped that same day right after the show if he was so enraged. We know he reacts on impulse.

I'm not so sure PC had anything to do with it. Something else must've triggered it, if he did it. Removing the stickers on the hummer could be a clue. Do we know when the stickers were put on the hummer? There was a lot more going on in their toxic relationship, imo. I think a lot of unresolved issues still lingered. Unfortunately, Michelle was oblivious to what may have been in his head because she trusted him enough to go over there and drop off the kids.

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

5 months later? If anything, I think he would've snapped that same day right after the show if he was so enraged. We know he reacts on impulse.

I'm not so sure PC had anything to do with it. Something else must've triggered it, if he did it. Removing the stickers on the hummer could be a clue. Do we know when the stickers were put on the hummer? There was a lot more going on in their toxic relationship, imo. I think a lot of unresolved issues still lingered. Unfortunately, Michelle was oblivious to what may have been in his head because she trusted him enough to go over there and drop off the kids.

I agree it could have been something else but her disappearance came within what 45 minutes of the show being aired. It may have been the straw that broke the camel's back...

[Skully]

Do we know how long it would take to walk from where the hummer was left to Dale sr's home?

[flourish]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

5 months later? If anything, I think he would've snapped that same day right after the show if he was so enraged. We know he reacts on impulse.

I'm not so sure PC had anything to do with it. Something else must've triggered it, if he did it. Removing the stickers on the hummer could be a clue. Do we know when the stickers were put on the hummer? There was a lot more going on in their toxic relationship, imo. I think a lot of unresolved issues still lingered. Unfortunately, Michelle was oblivious to what may have been in his head because she trusted him enough to go over there and drop off the kids.

It's been indicated that the editing and/or post-court remarks, which he would be viewing for the first time, may have contained something that upset him. Again, it doesn't have to reach the threshold of being a situation where we believe violence is warranted--it's all about what DS jr. believed warranted violence, either in general or in a vital moment. IMO.

[Skully]

When I look at that map with all the evidence along the way, it looks like bread crumbs from the condo to Sr's house.

I know Patty wants to do this with out help from the family but I can't do it that way.

I can see him taking the truck, with the two kids (leaving the body at the condo) and driving to the Dad's to drop off the kids. 23 to 30 minutes to do this, so it is about 4:00 but he has to get back to the condo and text "Water Ford" at 4:15 to the brother. So he had to have the phone on the first trip. He has to drive back to his condo now, with the phone and now park the truck, get into the hummer, after putting in a body, drive- dump body, drive- toss out phone and go to the Walden condos and park the hummer. He would walk back to his dad's house, but now he has no car. So the last step is, he get his dad to drive him and the kids home. Now it is a lot, but that could be done, given LE never went to his home and searched until the next night.

The other way is; the dad and mother picked up the kids, mom drives back with the kids and dad stays to help out jr and now you have two people driving. Can't see another way.

[Gia]

Originally Posted by Bern

I keep reading all the posts regarding what set Dll off that day and to tell you the truth, I don't think it was just about THAT DAY. I think he has been simmering for awhile now. She is BEAUTIFUL, great figure, well dressed, make up perfect and works with people who love her and drives a hummer that is in his name. She has the kids, the family the new career, what more could he be envious of.... oh ya the new BF. I think being on TV was a big perk for him, this time he was in the light, but maybe just maybe she showed him up there too.. Anyway, I can see how he could be jealous of her and her life. I could see him not wanting to give her up. Some one told me that love and hate are not far apart, but when you are indiffernt to the person, you don't love them any more, you are done. This guy was still mad about the ring, he wanted justice. Was it all about the ring? Really? "Just say'n"


ps Sometimes just being alive, happy and living your life sets them off....

BBM

I agree. And IIRC, didn't DS wake his second wife up out of her sleep, after coming home drunk one night, and then assault her? Wasn't that what landed him in a military prison? I can't remember 100%, because I believe this came out early on. But if that's the case, she wouldn't have been able to provoke or set him off while asleep. So that kind of shows it doesn't take much. MOO

[~n/t~]

Thanks Patty for looking that up for me.

Michelle Parker - Dinner with Father

Launer said that nothing seemed wrong with Parker when she saw her Wednesday night. Parker had made plans to have an oyster dinner with her dad on Friday night and the friends had planned a bonfire for Saturday so that Launer could meet Mitchell for the first time.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/michelle-pa...4#.Tu1HcGPNlGU

[cluciano63]

If Michelle "provoked" him in any way, maybe she felt safe with the twins there and knowing she was on her way out. If they did have a volatile relationship, it is possible almost anything she said might have provoked him. I doubt she taunted him, but I can't believe the topic of the show did not come up between them when it had just been on. JMO

[Jazzmaster]

Couple of questions. How long does it typically take to dig a grave? If Dale built her a coffin (cabinet maker and all) wonder if dogs would pick up her scent.

[Skully]

I don't think he cared enough to build a coffin, JMO. To dig a grave, not long, the ground here is full of sand, it is easy.

[GrammaMaybe]

Digging time depends on the soil, strength and stamina of the digger and how deep you go.

Cadaver dogs would be able to pick up a scent through the spaces in the joints.

[GrammaMaybe]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Couple of questions. How long does it typically take to dig a grave? If Dale built her a coffin (cabinet maker and all) wonder if dogs would pick up her scent.

How long it takes to dig a grave depends on the soil, the strength & stamina of the digger and the depth of the grave.

Cadaver dogs could pick up her scent if she were still above ground--even in a home made casket. Our bloodhound found a corpse buried under about 1ft of earth. If I were searching an area, I would only count on a bloodhound; one from a tracking line doesn't even have to be trained but they are not often accepted by search & rescue organizations.

[nobodynoz]

Originally Posted by GrammaMaybe

How long it takes to dig a grave depends on the soil, the strength & stamina of the digger and the depth of the grave.

Cadaver dogs could pick up her scent if she were still above ground--even in a home made casket. Our bloodhound found a corpse buried under about 1ft of earth. If I were searching an area, I would only count on a bloodhound; one from a tracking line doesn't even have to be trained but they are not often accepted by search & rescue organizations.

Just a little OT aside here: dogs are such fantastic creatures! They're valuable to us humans in so many ways...

[Patty G]

Posted by Patty G
I would think that any responsible parent wouldn't kill the mother of their children once the mother drops off her children with their father either, however, it does happen.

I am back to still working on how Dale did this alone, while the children are with him.

JadedGrace

I can come up with a few - running on the assumption he had no accomplice for the murder (and obviously speaking only in a manner of IF he did not, saying he DID do it) seeing as I know you've asked for theories on how he could have done it both by himself, and with the twins.

As others have stated- perhaps the twins arrived already asleep, or they brought them into the home , they sat down with a show on tv, a snack (having just left day care they very well could have been hungry) toy etc to preoccupy them and dale says "i need to speak with you, can we talk away from the kids" (my ex and I make it a point not to discuss issues in front of our child, so IMO it wouldn't be out of the norm to step into another room , the garage, outside, etc momentarily to speak) And that is when the act occurred.

If he came from behind her, he could have strangled her very quickly and quietly (he is a former marine - he has been trained in this) or used chloroform etc to subdue her, quickly and quietly. ( my own opinion- I do not believe the children witnessed or heard anything , or dale would not willingly be giving visitations to Michelle's family). She may have been killed at that moment, or she may have just been subdued/restrained.

If she were killed, she may have been loaded into a vehicle at that moment, and unknowingly the children may have been placed in the same vehicle- or the kids could have been loaded up and she left at the condo for later. (same goes for is she was still alive , just restrained) Dale drops the children off with his parents (who may or may not have known - let's assume at the time they knew nothing) and says there is some issue (any issue) he needs to take care of- he will return later.

Not saying any of that did or did not happen- just posing theories.

I am so not a fan of multiple quotes and normally I overlook them because it is difficult for me to go through all the quotes in one post to see if there is something for me. It must be my age!

In any event, in your theory of the twins being in the same vehicle as Michelle's body, are you using the pick-up truck that Dale used to bring his children to his father's house with Michelle body in the back of the pick-up?

If you are using the pick-up truck, then Dale has to go back to the condo, to get the Hummer so he can drive it back to where the Hummer was found. Now how did Dale get back to his condo alone to get his pick-up truck?

Same applies if Dale uses the Hummer to drop off the children, and then leaves the Hummer in the parking lot, how does Dale get back to the condo alone to get his pick-up truck.

I have heard taxi's, bus, and riding a bike, all of which are highly unlikely in my book as it takes too much time. With a taxi, there would be a record of the call to the taxi dispatcher, as well as on Dale's cellphone.

I don't know if there is a bus-line in that area, at that hour, and timing would be important in order to catch a bus.

It is easy for Dale to murder Michelle using various forms and I totally get that one. All you need is a minute to use a choke-hold and the person is dead.

Although, I have always kept in my thoughts, that Michelle would have fought for her life if she was in a choke hold and would have scratched Dale's arm, face, perhaps kick him in the groin; unless he snapped her neck in a second. (Geez, I can't believe I actually typed that.)

Again, two vehicles, one person alone.

[Patty G]

I would like to know why some folks feel that Dale, Sr. is part of either helping Dale with disposing of Michelle, or throwing the cellphone in the river or coming to pick up the children, or driving one of the vehicles or picking up Dale at the parking lot?

Is it because of a 20 second spot on TV when Dale Sr. stated Dale was there the entire time of Michelle's disappearance?

Dale Sr., was inserted before the raid, and before the custody hearing and I am just plain curious.

I can't imagine my son calling me to help him dispose of a body, or driving a vehicle of his girlfriends to help him leave it in a parking lot, or ask me to throw a cellphone in a river, etc., etc.

I couldn't imagine my brother calling our father for help in any form with regards to covering up a murder. Heck, my father would have probably murdered my brother if he knew my brother did something like that. My father was really "old-school" and strict and arrogant like Dale, Sr.

[SuziQ]

Originally Posted by Patty G

I would like to know why some folks feel that Dale, Sr. is part of either helping Dale with disposing of Michelle, or throwing the cellphone in the river or coming to pick up the children, or driving one of the vehicles or picking up Dale at the parking lot?

Is it because of a 20 second spot on TV when Dale Sr. stated Dale was there the entire time of Michelle's disappearance?

Dale Sr., was inserted before the raid, and before the custody hearing and I am just plain curious.

I can't imagine my son calling me to help him dispose of a body, or driving a vehicle of his girlfriends to help him leave it in a parking lot, or ask me to throw a cellphone in a river, etc., etc.

I couldn't imagine my brother calling our father for help in any form with regards to covering up a murder. Heck, my father would have probably murdered my brother if he knew my brother did something like that. My father was really "old-school" and strict and arrogant like Dale, Sr.

Patty, I'm going to guess that your family can't be remotely compared with this family. Unless you are trying to tell us something?

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by SuziQ

Patty, I'm going to guess that your family can't be remotely compared with this family. Unless you are trying to tell us something?

My father was very abusive both physically and verbally as well as an alcoholic. I couldn't imagine my father ever covering up something for his children, even as the type of father that I had. My father was born in 1905, and he did a lot in his lifetime, NO, never killed anyone, but he was powerful.

I just don't see that Dale's father and mother are anything but a family, unless I am clearly missing a lot about Dale's father. The only one that I see with a problem is Dale, Jr.

As far as Dale, Sr, in my eyes, he was aggravated when the media was at his door the first time when he said Dale was there the entire time Michelle was missing.

We saw Dale Sr. aggravated when the media came to his door after the raid and asked if this is the "Smith residence" or whatever they asked him and Dale said "no Santa Claus.

We saw Dale Sr., arrogance when the media followed him from the court room taunting him along the way with microphones, and Kathi Belich saying: "it appears they found Michelle body in the lake".

[SuziQ]

Originally Posted by Patty G

My father was very abusive both physically and verbally as well as an alcoholic. I couldn't imagine my father ever covering up something for his children, even as the type of father that I had. My father was born in 1905, and he did a lot in his lifetime, NO, never killed anyone, but he was powerful.

I just don't see that Dale's father and mother are anything but a family, unless I am clearly missing a lot about Dale's father. The only one that I see with a problem is Dale, Jr.

As far as Dale, Sr, in my eyes, he was aggravated when the media was at his door the first time when he said Dale was there the entire time Michelle was missing.

We saw Dale Sr. aggravated when the media came to his door after the raid and asked if this is the "Smith residence" or whatever they asked him and Dale said "no Santa Claus.

We saw Dale Sr., arrogance when the media followed him from the court room taunting him along the way with microphones, and Kathi Belich saying: "it appears they found Michelle body in the lake".

Well the raid on DSsr's house is one point. A swat raid for a warrant is not typical. They didn't even utilize swat for a search of DSjr's place. And then you have the land and water search based on a sighting of DSsr on his boat. Appears LE is thinking DSsr might be involved.

There are parents who help their kids cover up murders. And some parents plan and commit murders with their kids. It might be hard to comprehend that parents do this, but they do.

[Cher352]

Originally Posted by SuziQ

Well the raid on DSsr's house is one point. A swat raid for a warrant is not typical. They didn't even utilize swat for a search of DSjr's place. And then you have the land and water search based on a sighting of DSsr on his boat. Appears LE is thinking DSsr might be involved.

There are parents who help their kids cover up murders. And some parents plan and commit murders with their kids. It might be hard to comprehend that parents do this, but they do.

That whole swat team thing still puzzles me. Did they think that MP was actually in the home at the time or had OPD had problems with DSsr before? I mean to bust down the door and come in armed sounds way beyond anything normal.

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by SuziQ

Well the raid on DSsr's house is one point. A swat raid for a warrant is not typical. They didn't even utilize swat for a search of DSjr's place. And then you have the land and water search based on a sighting of DSsr on his boat. Appears LE is thinking DSsr might be involved.

There are parents who help their kids cover up murders. And some parents plan and commit murders with their kids. It might be hard to comprehend that parents do this, but they do.

For all we know, LE went in with a swat team raid because Dale, Sr. may have had a registered fire arm in his home, of which, a raid in this manner was warranted. WE have no clue why LE went in that way, and I can't assume it is because they feel Dale, Sr is involved.

I have to wait until you find the link about the sighting of Dale. Sr, in a boat.

IMO, it would be SOP for LE to search any known property and water that any of the family owns as it would be a familiar area for anyone to go to dispose of a body and/or items.

I know that parents can plan a murder with their child as I have been following cases forever, back to the Dragnet days on TV trying to solve a crime as a child.

For me, I just don't see Dale's parents as part of this crime and I patiently wait for either another suspect to be announced by LE or perhaps an arrest so we can look at some documents.

[LostOldUserName]

Originally Posted by Patty G

I would like to know why some folks feel that Dale, Sr. is part of either helping Dale with disposing of Michelle, or throwing the cellphone in the river or coming to pick up the children, or driving one of the vehicles or picking up Dale at the parking lot?

Is it because of a 20 second spot on TV when Dale Sr. stated Dale was there the entire time of Michelle's disappearance?

Dale Sr., was inserted before the raid, and before the custody hearing and I am just plain curious.

I can't imagine my son calling me to help him dispose of a body, or driving a vehicle of his girlfriends to help him leave it in a parking lot, or ask me to throw a cellphone in a river, etc., etc.

I couldn't imagine my brother calling our father for help in any form with regards to covering up a murder. Heck, my father would have probably murdered my brother if he knew my brother did something like that. My father was really "old-school" and strict and arrogant like Dale, Sr.

But then again your father most likely didn't have to go through the criminal justice system an previous occasions with you brother for several batteries and a murder before calling for help with a new murder. I hate to say it the way but Dale Sr may be use to helping Jr. cover his butt by now.

[belle3]

I just noticed in the previous thread the pics of the gates at dsjr condo. I was just wondering if michelle had a clicker for the gate or if she had to enter a code to go in. And sometimes, unfortunately, these condos and complexes put up the boxes to make it appear as though there are cameras when there arent any. They did a report on that here in orlando. People thought they were paying for the added security of cameras, when in actuality there were no cameras there. Not saying that was the case here, but it happens.