General theory thread and motives rehashed #6

[Emeralgem]

IF my memory serves me correctly I heard Tommy tell GmaFlo to call Lindsy because he needed to talk to his lawyer. He also stated something about this should have been done a long time ago.
As I see it, GmaFlo thought Tommy was planning on telling the truth as to what really may have happened to Haleigh. Now IF she called GGMS and gave GGMS this information it doesn't surprise me TN and GGMS went straight to the Shell Harbor area. They both knew the incident occurred there and they both knew the MH on Green Lane had been staged to look like an abduction had taken place there. They both knew the information given to LE on the morning of the 10th of February was nothing but a "RED HERRING"...JMHO

ETA.. IMHO. Steve Brown, didn't solve and still hasn't solved "DIDDLY...JMHO

[Chablis]

But they found nothing in the search. I am conflicted because I have a hard time believing they wouldn't give Tommy a poly before applying the manpower and search teams. Maybe they did, I don't know.

[lonetraveler]

I know that we heard Annette Sykes state that "they" didn't find anything during their (she and Teresa) search at Shell Harbor but I really don't think that we would have heard about it if they had found anything. I don't think that they were searching for Haleigh's body, I think that they were searching for anything that could lead LE straight to Ronald Cummings. They had to search prior to LE coming in the next morning with the searchers and divers. They couldn't risk LE finding something that could incriminate Ronald.

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by lonetraveler

I know that we heard Annette Sykes state that "they" didn't find anything during their (she and Teresa) search at Shell Harbor but I really don't think that we would have heard about it if they had found anything. I don't think that they were searching for Haleigh's body, I think that they were searching for anything that could lead LE straight to Ronald Cummings. They had to search prior to LE coming in the next morning with the searchers and divers. They couldn't risk LE finding something that could incriminate Ronald.

I think you are exactly right, Lone. I don't think AS or TN did anything to find Haleigh. I think everything they did was only to cover Ron's butt. MOO

[Chablis]

Originally Posted by Nonni Brenda

I think you are exactly right, Lone. I don't think AS or TN did anything to find Haleigh. I think everything they did was only to cover Ron's butt. MOO

And this I believe is the only thing they have done, I do not think either one of them actually disposed of Haleigh, because if so, thats really hard core, I think this task was Rons, and Rons alone. I think they have lied for Ronald, but they wont go down because that terrible John Coueys family didnt get charged with anything and they did stuff, in hindsight, their actions are gross, but Rons are worse, and in light of a murder, pretty minor. jmo

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by Chablis

And this I believe is the only thing they have done, I do not think either one of them actually disposed of Haleigh, because if so, thats really hard core, I think this task was Rons, and Rons alone. I think they have lied for Ronald, but they wont go down because that terrible John Coueys family didnt get charged with anything and they did stuff, in hindsight, their actions are gross, but Rons are worse, and in light of a murder, pretty minor. jmo

I agree Chablis. I honestly believe, and I hate to say it, that AS and TN are protected by someone 'behind the scenes". I don't want to say LE, it may be even higher that that. There has got to be some reason they were never looked at seriously, neither were the men in their family. It seemed like that bunch knew they were never gonna have to face any kind of scruitiny or questionig. That's why it is so hard for me to have any hope that this case will ever be solved...Just like Jon Benet's case.

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by Concerned Papa

Unless both Werter and Brown have lied in their respective timelines of the events leading up to this search, it really doesn't matter who called who because how could ANYONE have known there was going to be a search at Shell Harbor before LE even KNEW about Tommy's tale and Shell Harbor?

LE didn't even know about Shell Harbor until 5:00 pm on April 12th! Their search began the next morning around 10:00 am, April 13th!

I don't care who called Granny Flo, how could she know there was going to be a search before LE even knew there was going to be a search?

GGM said she and Teresa searched "ALL AFTERNOON" the day before. The call from Granny Flo would have to be HOURS, at least, before PCSO, FBI, FDLE, or the SA knew anything about Tommy Croslin's tale.

I understand what you are saying Papa about how could they have known about the search before LE knew they were going to search. Maybe Flo knew that Tommy was going to tell LE about this area, eventhough he had not talked to LE about it yet. Eventhough LE didn't know about it yet, Flo knew that Tommy was going to tell them, and that, more than likely, there would be a search when Tommy did tell LE. Just guessing...BBM
Sorry Em, I didn't see your post above. Seems we have the same thoughts often.

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by Nonni Brenda

I understand what you are saying Papa about how could they have known about the search before LE knew they were going to search. Maybe Flo knew that Tommy was going to tell LE about this area, eventhough he had not talked to LE about it yet. Eventhough LE didn't know about it yet, Flo knew that Tommy was going to tell them, and that, more than likely, there would be a search when Tommy did tell LE. Just guessing...BBM
Sorry Em, I didn't see your post above. Seems we have the same thoughts often.

Also, IF GmaFlo called Lindsy and told her Tommy wanted for her to contact his lawyer, it is quite possible Lindsy also called Timmy and Chelsy and told them of Tommy's plans. It's quite possible Chelsy then called GmaFlo since she knew Tommy was going to tell LE about the Shell Harbor area. I need to go back and watch those videos but I do recall Chelsy claiming she told Gma Flo she needed to tell LE to search another area on a certain Hwy (can't remember the Hwy number) JMHO

ETA..Also Gma Flo had to have known Hank Sr. and Lisa had lived in the Shell Harbor area too since Lisa's sister (Aunt Vicki) went down to Florida to help move them out of that residence immediately after Haleigh was repoerted as being abducted...And don't forget Chelsy was also in communication with TN and GGMS even after she and Timmy packed up and moved to Mass.. JMHO

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by Emeralgem

Also, IF GmaFlo called Lindsy and told her Tommy wanted for her to contact his lawyer, it is quite possible Lindsy also called Timmy and Chelsy and told them of Tommy's plans. It's quite possible Chelsy then called GmaFlo since she knew Tommy was going to tell LE about the Shell Harbor area. I need to go back and watch those videos but I do recall Chelsy claiming she told Gma Flo she needed to tell LE to search another area on a certain Hwy (can't remember the Hwy number) JMHO

ETA..Also Gma Flo had to have known Hank Sr. and Lisa had lived in the Shell Harbor area too since Lisa's sister (Aunt Vicki) went down to Florida to help move them out of that residence immediately after Haleigh was repoerted as being abducted...And don't forget Chelsy was also in communication with TN and GGMS even after she and Timmy packed up and moved to Mass.. JMHO

Em, I do seem to remember something about CC, in all her stories, saying something about talking to GM Flo about something, but can't remember what or when it was. But I bet if one of that group knew something they all got involved to stir it up, such drama queens as the all are.

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by Nonni Brenda

Em, I do seem to remember something about CC, in all her stories, saying something about talking to GM Flo about something, but can't remember what or when it was. But I bet if one of that group knew something they all got involved to stir it up, such drama queens as the all are.

I'm going to look for it in a little while.. As I see it. Chelsy is willing to admit Ron C is the one responsible for his daughter's death, however she is not willing to admit the truth as to what caused Haleigh's death.. I'm thinking reason for that is.. She has knowledge of what really happened and she and Timmy helped out that night...JMHO.

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by Emeralgem

I'm going to look for it in a little while.. As I see it. Chelsy is willing to admit Ron C is the one responsible for his daughter's death, however she is not willing to admit the truth as to what caused Haleigh's death.. I'm thinking reason for that is.. She has knowledge of what really happened and she and Timmy helped out that night...JMHO.

I agree with you 100%

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by Emeralgem

I'm going to look for it in a little while.. As I see it. Chelsy is willing to admit Ron C is the one responsible for his daughter's death, however she is not willing to admit the truth as to what caused Haleigh's death.. I'm thinking reason for that is.. She has knowledge of what really happened and she and Timmy helped out that night...JMHO.

http://www.artharris.com/2011/05/24/...mmings-update/

It has been a while since Chelsea wanted to be "strapped up" to a LDT, and as far as I know she hasn't been polyed yet. She changed her story that Joe did it in this article as well. Joe said that it was Chelsea and Timmy who answered Misty's family emergency that night and took off in the van. I think it very strange that we, the public, haven't seen any evidence or statements from LE concerning any current investigation into the latest (although almost a year old) information contained in this "raving statement" from Chelsea.

I can't forget the Haleigh Angel tattoo on Chelsea's foot.

[Emeralgem]

Here is the video where Chelsy is claiming she told Gma Flo LE needed to check along 309 ( I'm assuming that is a Hwy) She is also claiming she never told Gma Flo she meant for LE to specifically search the Shell Harbor dock.JMHO

Haleigh Cummings: Nancy 4/22/10 Part 3 - YouTube

Haleigh Cummings: Nancy 4/22/10 Part 3 - YouTube

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by Emeralgem

Here is the video where Chelsy is claiming she told Gma Flo LE needed to check along 309 ( I'm assuming that is a Hwy) She is also claiming she never told Gma Flo she meant for LE to specifically search the Shell Harbor dock.JMHO

Haleigh Cummings: Nancy 4/22/10 Part 3 - YouTube

LOL, at the 4:22 mark Chelsea is about to name who else was involved with Haleigh's death (IMO, she was about to name Ronald) and Nancy jumped right in to talk to her panel about the three Croslins being involved. She has always come to the rescue when it comes to Ronald.

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by lonetraveler

LOL, at the 4:22 mark Chelsea is about to name who else was involved with Haleigh's death (IMO, she was about to name Ronald) and Nancy jumped right in to talk to her panel about the three Croslins being involved. She has always come to the rescue when it comes to Ronald.

On her show the ONLY person she has ever allowed to implicate Ronald Cummings as being involved in Haleigh's death is Pat Brown.JMHO

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by lonetraveler

LOL, at the 4:22 mark Chelsea is about to name who else was involved with Haleigh's death (IMO, she was about to name Ronald) and Nancy jumped right in to talk to her panel about the three Croslins being involved. She has always come to the rescue when it comes to Ronald.

And that is one of the biggest mysteries to me...What makes her so "fond" of Ron? Why can't she see what so many others can about him??? Anybody have any ideas on that?

[Levi]

Originally Posted by Nonni Brenda

And that is one of the biggest mysteries to me...What makes her so "fond" of Ron? Why can't she see what so many others can about him??? Anybody have any ideas on that?

There is a youtube link where a caller (one of the few SMART callers... anyone else find most of the callers are a bit.. dumb?) mentions Ron dealing drugs with Misty, and why would Ron continue to associate with Misty despite her lies... Nancy pauses and she does admit the caller has a point.

Nancy just flat out fell for all of Ron's fake crying and fake tears...

It is so weird Nancy is usually good at calling out lying criminals, but Ron pulled one over on her. It is so weird, because I literally laugh everytime Ron cried because it was so fake.

[TobyWong*]

Originally Posted by Levi

There is a youtube link where a caller (one of the few SMART callers... anyone else find most of the callers are a bit.. dumb?) mentions Ron dealing drugs with Misty, and why would Ron continue to associate with Misty despite her lies... Nancy pauses and she does admit the caller has a point.

Nancy just flat out fell for all of Ron's fake crying and fake tears...

It is so weird Nancy is usually good at calling out lying criminals, but Ron pulled one over on her. It is so weird, because I literally laugh everytime Ron cried because it was so fake.

I agree about ron's crying. After seeing the pic of Nancy's murdered fiancée, I just felt bad for her, the resemblance is uncanny. I would love to link bt my stoopid phone sstruggles w/ letters much less trying to copy & paste. I found it here w/ a search. JMO

[Nonni Brenda]

Originally Posted by Levi

There is a youtube link where a caller (one of the few SMART callers... anyone else find most of the callers are a bit.. dumb?) mentions Ron dealing drugs with Misty, and why would Ron continue to associate with Misty despite her lies... Nancy pauses and she does admit the caller has a point.

Nancy just flat out fell for all of Ron's fake crying and fake tears...

It is so weird Nancy is usually good at calling out lying criminals, but Ron pulled one over on her. It is so weird, because I literally laugh everytime Ron cried because it was so fake.

Thanks Levi for this. I'm with you that Nancy usually is so smart at calling out liars and fakers. It is just so hard to believe that she couldn't see through Ron's BS... Wonder if she has realized now that she was had? Surely so.

[Chablis]

But we dont know if they were offered or not, so we cant pretend they were and declined.

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by Chablis

But we dont know if they were offered or not, so we cant pretend they were and declined.

I'm not pretending..PCSO stated everyone was offered to take a poly..Their words not mine. I feel certain IF they were offered the poly and took one, they would have stated such.JMHO

[Chablis]

Originally Posted by Emeralgem

I'm not pretending..PCSO stated everyone was offered to take a poly..Their words not mine. I feel certain IF they were offered the poly and took one, they would have stated such.JMHO

However, they could have said, would you submit to a poly, and they could have said yes, and they may just not have called them for the poly, especially if the phone records show a story involving Ron, Misty, Tommy and Hope, they are expensive. jmo

[Emeralgem]

Originally Posted by Chablis

However, they could have said, would you submit to a poly, and they could have said yes, and they may just not have called them for the poly, especially if the phone records show a story involving Ron, Misty, Tommy and Hope, they are expensive. jmo

If money was the issue, and phone records revealed Ron, Misty, Tommy and Hope were the ONLY ones involved then WHY did LE allow for Marie G, Crystal S and her fiance Chad to take polys?

[Chablis]

Originally Posted by Emeralgem

If money was the issue, and phone records revealed Ron, Misty, Tommy and Hope were the ONLY ones involved then WHY did LE allow for Marie G, Crystal S and her fiance Chad to take polys?

Probably because its standard, and they would not have had phone records the exact next day.

[Levi]

The squeeze should have been put on both of them by PCSO a long time ago IF you ask me...My question is... WHY wasn't it? JMHO

I think that they attempted to put the pressure on Teresa Neves. Remember when Cobra and Timothy Holmseth made a big fuss about how Teresa was threatened with jail time after she had a meeting with PCSO? Cobra was concerned that Teresa was going to kil herself. LE was breathing down Teresa and her families neck.

Ron and Misty were easier to get in jail, Teresa and Annette IMO are more sneaky and smarter since they have had years of experience of being manipulative and involved in criminal activities.