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Old 04-10-2012, 05:54 PM
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At this point in the investigation we don't KNOW exactly who ALL the victims are now. We KNOW that Trayvon is a victim, because he is dead. However, news breaks and new leaks come forth everyday and it is still unclear whether Zimmerman was a victim of any violence. Until more verifiable FACTS are available, WS has chosen to err on the side of treating both the confirmed (Trayvon) AND potential (Zimmerman) victim, both as victims.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:59 PM
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After learning all we've learned about GZ today, go back and listen to his call to police.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:06 PM
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After learning all we've learned about GZ today, go back and listen to his call to police.
Can you be more specific??? I'm suffering from shell shock over this pressor???
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Talk about a ride on the crazy train today...just whoa...
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:01 PM
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Talk about a ride on the crazy train today...just whoa...
I knew better than to follow another case in Florida.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:09 PM
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There was always something so fishy about the attorneys never meeting with him face to face. Now even more so. IMO

That was a shameful display for those men who call themselves attorneys. I'm embarassed for them. Shameful an unprofessional! Some of the pundits keep saying they're well respected. If they once were, they are no longer. IMO
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I knew better than to follow another case in Florida.
Understand where you are coming from, but I am so very glad that I did as I now can light a candle for someone often and keep the *after*case alive for the "other" case, in addition to meeting and getting to know many fellow and mods VERY well over the years that now are here in this thread.

Perhaps more of such through this case as I'm getting to know folks much better in this case it seems.
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Old 04-11-2012, 11:53 AM
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Understand where you are coming from, but I am so very glad that I did as I now can light a candle for someone often and keep the *after*case alive for the "other" case, in addition to meeting and getting to know many fellow and mods VERY well over the years that now are here in this thread.

Perhaps more of such through this case as I'm getting to know folks much better in this case it seems.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:00 PM
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The lawyers said they were working for free until he gets arrested. I think that is their words.
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Could this whole "withdraw" from legal counsel have been a ploy?

I mean, things had calmed down a lot! People were calmly waiting for the decision from the SA? Now all the sudden, these two lawyers, who are not even GZ's lawyers, come out swinging and bring back a lot of raw emotions that were there at the beginning? I think their plan was to bait the public so they could get everyone angry again and hope for it to boil over so much so that when Zimmerman is arrested, the potential jury would be influenced by any countering statements/actions made?

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I don't think a "ploy" per se

more a circus. What should have been a quiet and private termination of a relationship became a media spectacle because of these guys where they proceeded to still "represent" him after withdrawing from "representing" him.

They must practice law a lot differently in FL than they do back here in the east because I've never seen anything like the characters you Floridians come up with! They clearly are trying to rile up white people, that's my estimation with taunting the Martin family and their supporters and imitating them. These people lost their son. I've honestly never seen an attorney for someone who has admitted killing someone go on TV and make fun of the victim and his family and supporters. It's just weird. I think they are now trying to manipulate the racial angle to make it look like blacks are being unreasonable and to try and separate out the black supporters from white people in general. Little do they know how many of us white people support Trayvon's family and don't make judgments based on the race of the defendant or victim. But it's the same as going on shows like Hannity which has a reputation for fermenting racial animosity by equating the calling out of racism AS racism. That's a well established ploy.



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Could this whole "withdraw" from legal counsel have been a ploy?

I mean, things had calmed down a lot! People were calmly waiting for the decision from the SA? Now all the sudden, these two lawyers, who are not even GZ's lawyers, come out swinging and bring back a lot of raw emotions that were there at the beginning? I think their plan was to bait the public so they could get everyone angry again and hope for it to boil over so much so that when Zimmerman is arrested, the potential jury would be influenced by any countering statements/actions made?

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Old 04-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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George is not going crazy. This is George and how he has always been. He called the cops on his landlord because the landlord wanted rent and George did not feel it was right because the house was being foreclosed on.
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George is not going crazy. This is George and how he has always been. He called the cops on his landlord because the landlord wanted rent and George did not feel it was right because the house was being foreclosed on.
His former atty from 2005 said on hln that he was an 'assertive' client.
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His former atty from 2005 said on hln that he was an 'assertive' client.


Thin line between assertive and aggressive...

Says a lot about him in general IMO
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George is not going crazy. This is George and how he has always been. He called the cops on his landlord because the landlord wanted rent and George did not feel it was right because the house was being foreclosed on.
I do have to comment on this.

I've lived in a rent house that was being foreclosed on, and GZ is right. In that case, you pay your rent to the financial institution that is foreclosing, not your landlord.

When the bank foreclosed on my home, a bank rep came to the house with a cop to inform us of where we were to be sending our rent checks, and to call LE if the landlord attempted to bully us into paying rent to her.

And sure enough, she did. She tried by force us to pay her rent and we had to call LE.
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I do have to comment on this.

I've lived in a rent house that was being foreclosed on, and GZ is right. In that case, you pay your rent to the financial institution that is foreclosing, not your landlord.

When the bank foreclosed on my home, a bank rep came to the house with a cop to inform us of where we were to be sending our rent checks, and to call LE if the landlord attempted to bully us into paying rent to her.

And sure enough, she did. She tried by force us to pay her rent and we had to call LE.
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Maybe during the process, although you wouldn't have any way to know if it was in the process, IMHO. Once the house is foreclosed on, you pay to the bank.

Interesting.
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Maybe during the process, although you wouldn't have any way to know if it was in the process, IMHO. Once the house is foreclosed on, you pay to the bank.

Interesting.
The original poster said the house was "being" foreclosed on, so GZ knew it was in the process. The link I provided also shows steps that usually occur, so the renter would be very well aware of the process IMO.

Seems like GZ wanted to have his cake and eat it too...JMO MOO
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Maybe during the process, although you wouldn't have any way to know if it was in the process, IMHO. Once the house is foreclosed on, you pay to the bank.

Interesting.
When we lived in a rental that went into forclosure the papers were sent to the property (us). We were to continue to pay to the landlord until the forclosure was finalized. Only at that time does the property belong soley to the financial institute. This was in the state of Texas.
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Maybe during the process, although you wouldn't have any way to know if it was in the process, IMHO. Once the house is foreclosed on, you pay to the bank.

Interesting.
The best thing to do is file with the court registry, and pay your rent to the court. The court then decides who gets the money.
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I do have to comment on this.

I've lived in a rent house that was being foreclosed on, and GZ is right. In that case, you pay your rent to the financial institution that is foreclosing, not your landlord.

When the bank foreclosed on my home, a bank rep came to the house with a cop to inform us of where we were to be sending our rent checks, and to call LE if the landlord attempted to bully us into paying rent to her.

And sure enough, she did. She tried by force us to pay her rent and we had to call LE.
Interesting you mentioned that. I have seen apartments being foreclosed on and everyone was evicted even if they pay rent on time. That is due to the owner's irresponsibility.
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George is not going crazy. This is George and how he has always been. He called the cops on his landlord because the landlord wanted rent and George did not feel it was right because the house was being foreclosed on.
I've seen this before but I couldn't find the post when I looked for it. Just FYI, that call was George calling for a tenant at the community, not for himself. Someone posted the reports earlier, if you look you will see this on them
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I've seen this before but I couldn't find the post when I looked for it. Just FYI, that call was George calling for a tenant at the community, not for himself. Someone posted the reports earlier, if you look you will see this on them

I'm not familiar with FL police reports or codes, but I can't see where it says he's calling for a neighbor. It looks like he was at Kohl's when he called, not in his complex.

In any case, that is not a police matter, it's a civil matter...and if what you are saying is true, it's none of his business.
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I'm not familiar with FL police reports or codes, but I can't see where it says he's calling for a neighbor. It looks like he was at Kohl's when he called, not in his complex.

In any case, that is not a police matter, it's a civil matter...and if what you are saying is true, it's none of his business.
Thank you for finding this. Whether or not this address belongs to Zimmerman was the question - whether or not it was his business is another matter. I'm perplexed myself why he is calling form a department store to report this. Nevertheless, it's not his house. Oddly, the address is very near the house where Traci Martin's girlfriend lives.

BEM: I looked at the address - 2621 Retreat View Circle - I am not familiar either, just deducing.
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