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Old 04-25-2012, 09:18 PM
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I thought that some of the first Officers on the scene attempted CPR, and he would have had to be turned over for that, but I thought this picture was taken before other Officers and first responders arrived, at about three minutes after the shooting, but Perhaps they had arrived although I don't know how anyone would see powder burns on the hoodie if they were attempting cpr...so I guess it's kind of a mystery. Powder burns on the back of his hoodie would be really BIG news though.
The time of the photograph being taken doesn't have to align with the person viewing the "powder burns" or whatever they saw. One could have occurred earlier or later than the other. I don't think he said, "As I was taking the picture, I saw powder burns." Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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The time of the photograph being taken doesn't have to align with the person viewing the "powder burns" or whatever they saw. One could have occurred earlier or later than the other. I don't think he said, "As I was taking the picture, I saw powder burns." Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I never made any presumption that the actions were simultaneous, but unless the person taking the picture was LE, I have a hard time believing that they were allowed to linger around an active crime scene and not made to leave, so there would be a limited amount of time to actually see a lot of things such as the powder burns and stuff, and that is only if no one was attempting cpr at the time, and if the body had NOT been turned and they were not attempting cpr then Trayvon was found on his stomach...and powder burns are usually in close proximity to the wound, not on the other side of the body...so how did they see those powder burns??? As I said before, it is a mystery...IMO JMHO and stuff.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:35 PM
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I never made any presumption that the actions were simultaneous, but unless the person taking the picture was LE, I have a hard time believing that they were allowed to linger around an active crime scene and not made to leave, so there would be a limited amount of time to actually see a lot of things such as the powder burns and stuff, and that is only if no one was attempting cpr at the time, and if the body had NOT been turned and they were not attempting cpr then Trayvon was found on his stomach...and powder burns are usually in close proximity to the wound, not on the other side of the body...so how did they see those powder burns??? As I said before, it is a mystery...IMO JMHO and stuff.
According to the police report, one officer was securing Zimmerman and the other two were administering CPR. It doesn't seem to me like it would be unreasonable to say that someone could have been watching and there wasn't anyone free to secure the actual scene.
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According to the police report, one officer was securing Zimmerman and the other two were administering CPR. It doesn't seem to me like it would be unreasonable to say that someone could have been watching and there wasn't anyone free to secure the actual scene.
So you think powder burns would have been evident to a lay person on a dark gray jacket after the person had been laying on their stomach with a bullet hole in them?
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So you think powder burns would have been evident to a lay person on a dark gray jacket after the person had been laying on their stomach with a bullet hole in them?
yeah, there is that too, I don't really know, but I kinda doubt it.
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So you think powder burns would have been evident to a lay person on a dark gray jacket after the person had been laying on their stomach with a bullet hole in them?
When Inspector Gilbreath said there was gunshot residue on TM he also mentioned something that was seen on GZ. Does anyone know what Gilbreath was talking about???
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According to the police report, one officer was securing Zimmerman and the other two were administering CPR. It doesn't seem to me like it would be unreasonable to say that someone could have been watching and there wasn't anyone free to secure the actual scene.
That may be, but it really doesn't take any major amount of time to put an unresisting person in handcuffs, nor does it take major effort or time to say, "You need to leave, please clear the area." IMO JMHO and stuff.

it might also be noteworthy to mention that if there were Officers administering cpr, their hands would be doing compressions over the area where the powder burns were most likely to be, dead center of the chest a few inches above the zyphoid process..Just an observation.
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So you think powder burns would have been evident to a lay person on a dark gray jacket after the person had been laying on their stomach with a bullet hole in them?
Was it dark gray? Perhaps what they saw was blood, and thought it was powder burns. I don't know. I'm just saying that it's possible for them to have taken the pictures and also see whatever it is they claim to have seen.

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That may be, but it really doesn't take any major amount of time to put an unresisting person in handcuffs, nor does it take major effort or time to say, "You need to leave, please clear the area." IMO JMHO and stuff.

it might also be noteworthy to mention that if there were Officers administering cpr, their hands would be doing compressions over the area where the powder burns were most likely to be, dead center of the chest a few inches above the zyphoid process..Just an observation.
The first step to rendering aid is assessing the casualty. You don't immediately flip someone over and start cracking ribs.

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According to the police report, one officer was securing Zimmerman and the other two were administering CPR. It doesn't seem to me like it would be unreasonable to say that someone could have been watching and there wasn't anyone free to secure the actual scene.
Seems unreasonable to me. There is no excuse for letting people contaminate a crime scene.
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Seems unreasonable to me. There is no excuse for letting people contaminate a crime scene.
So, they should have left the boy lying there, bleeding out, while they're concerned about some onlooker potentially getting too close?

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Seems unreasonable to me. There is no excuse for letting people contaminate a crime scene.
I am not entirely sure they ever really viewed it as a crime scene. IMO
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Seems GZ was also a victim of an assault when living in Manassas, VA

http://manassas.patch.com/articles/g...lt-in-manassas
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Seems GZ was also a victim of an assault when living in Manassas, VA

http://manassas.patch.com/articles/g...lt-in-manassas
Yes, GZ gets himself into so many altercations. Could it be that he uses words or actions that just push all the wrong buttons on so many people?
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so was he the assaulter or the assaultee? The article says he was the victim of an assault but "he was never listed as an offender or suspect."

http://manassas.patch.com/articles/g...lt-in-manassas



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so was he the assaulter or the assaultee? The article says he was the victim of an assault but "he was never listed as an offender or suspect."

http://manassas.patch.com/articles/g...lt-in-manassas



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That confused me as well. Is Sgt. Rivera just remembering this off the top of his head from 11 years ago since he's not listed on a report?

http://manassas.patch.com/articles/g...lt-in-manassas

"Manassa City Police Sgt. Eddie Rivera said one-time Manassas resident George Zimmerman was a victim of an assault in 2001, but he was never listed as an offender or suspect."
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That confused me as well. Is Sgt. Rivera just remembering this off the top of his head from 11 years ago since he's not listed on a report?

http://manassas.patch.com/articles/g...lt-in-manassas

"Manassa City Police Sgt. Eddie Rivera said one-time Manassas resident George Zimmerman was a victim of an assault in 2001, but he was never listed as an offender or suspect."
Perhaps it is because he was a juvenile. Those records are sealed in Juvenile and family court in Virginia.
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Perhaps it is because he was a juvenile. Those records are sealed in Juvenile and family court in Virginia.
If the records are sealed then why is Rivera talking about it? How would Rivera know about it?
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@MooCow: I think the coded locks that posters were discussing were on the gates to the walk in path and the two entrance to the actual community. I don't know about the actual doors to the homes and if they even make those for the porch entries.
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@MooCow: I think the coded locks that posters were discussing were on the gates to the walk in path and the two entrance to the actual community. I don't know about the actual doors to the homes and if they even make those for the porch entries.
It came up during a discussion of Martin needing a key to get into the home, so I assume that's what was meant.
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I don't know. I wonder how he checked the boxes when it came to race.

Off content topic, but IMO this reporter deserves admiration for investigating and researching. I wonder if he's a ws poster? .

Has it really taken this long for anyone to really do an investigative report on GZ? Looking deeper into his background to get the bigger picture and not just the quick sensationalized negative, or positive?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-shooting.html
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I don't know. I wonder how he checked the boxes when it came to race.

Off content topic, but IMO this reporter deserves admiration for investigating and researching. I wonder if he's a ws poster? .

Has it really taken this long for anyone to really do an investigative report on GZ? Looking deeper into his background to get the bigger picture and not just the quick sensationalized negative, or positive?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-shooting.html
The reporter should have named the source or said the type of source it was that gave the information for the graduation stuff. I find it very questionable.
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The reporter should have named the source or said the type of source it was that gave the information for the graduation stuff. I find it very questionable.
Questionable that he was allowed to walk although he didn't have credits, or the story was questionable about him walking? I agree, i learned about journalism and the reponsibilities of reporters pertaining their store in a quick writing session in one of my high school English classes. Details, no bias, just facts, credit sources, etc. I wonder if they teach those things any more in even college courses. Or is that considered outdated? Has following a story that brings in the most $ by ads and flash headlines become what reporters learn now?

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I agree. It makes no sense to me. Anyone in that crowd could have also had a gun or contaminated the scene. EMT's are trained how to render care and do as little harm as possible to the crime scene. The first rule is secure the scene, rendering medical care would do not one bit of good if more people were violent. Rescue was told to stage so that they could secure the scene. By the time they got close the stage order was changed.

Yes CPR very early is essential, but securing the scene is also a vital part of the protocol. A dead rescuer rescues no one.
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Questionable that he was allowed to walk although he didn't have credits, or the story was questionable about him walking? I agree, i learned about journalism and the reponsibilities of reporters pertaining their store in a quick writing session in one of my high school English classes. Details, no bias, just facts, credit sources, etc. I wonder if they teach those things any more in even college courses. Or is that considered outdated? Has following a story that brings in the most $ by ads and flash headlines become what reporters learn now?

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Questionable that he was allowed to walk although he didn't have credits, or the story was questionable about him walking? I agree, i learned about journalism and the reponsibilities of reporters pertaining their store in a quick writing session in one of my high school English classes. Details, no bias, just facts, credit sources, etc. I wonder if they teach those things any more in even college courses. Or is that considered outdated? Has following a story that brings in the most $ by ads and flash headlines become what reporters learn now?

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Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice.

Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1t6kgJObG
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