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Old 06-17-2012, 01:07 PM
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LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 05 June 2012 - #4

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Have we discussed MAS' most recent place of employment? I've been told that on Wednesday, June 6th, she reported for her job as a bartender in NO East feeling very ill.
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Have we discussed MAS' current place of employment? I've been told that on Wenesday, June 6th, she reported for her job as a bartender in NO East feeling very ill.

Hmmmm. wonder why????
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Hmmmm. wonder why????
Any idea what time she would have reported to work on Wed? If she actually reported to work that would narrow the time the body could have been put it the water if she was an active participate. If she did not help then someone else dumped the body parts.
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Any idea what time she would have reported to work on Wed? If she actually reported to work that would narrow the time the body could have been put it the water if she was an active participate. If she did not help then someone else dumped the body parts.
maybe ts did it on his own, although they could have done it wed night after jaren was reported missing. maybe they went back to where ever it happened when they found out people were looking for her. if they did it closer to bsl, still plenty of time to wash up thurs evening.
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Have we discussed MAS' current place of employment? I've been told that on Wenesday, June 6th, she reported for her job as a bartender in NO East feeling very ill.
I just have to ask, where was MAS employed as a bartender?

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I just have to ask, where was MAS employed as a bartender?

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Treasure Isle, a bar on Hayne Blvd in New Orleans.

I'm trying to confirm the time right now because I was told different times by different people.

ETA: Still unconfirmed, but would have been late afternoon or early evening, 3-7-ish
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Treasure Isle, a bar on Hayne Blvd in New Orleans.

I'm trying to confirm the time right now because I was told different times by different people.

ETA: Still unconfirmed, but would have been late afternoon or early evening, 3-7-ish
If it was 3 to 7 PM on Wed when MAS reported to work and she was in on the killing the time of death would have to be between 0200 hrs and 1900 hrs on Wed June 6.

What happened and why in those 17 hrs to end up with a young mother dead?
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Treasure Isle, a bar on Hayne Blvd in New Orleans.

I'm trying to confirm the time right now because I was told different times by different people.

ETA: Still unconfirmed, but would have been late afternoon or early evening, 3-7-ish
OMG!!!!! My daughter used to work there years ago and she is very very good friends with the owner. My granddaughter and the owner's daughter are BFF's! Am gonna text her now! Holy carp! The place is on Hayne Blvd in NO East!
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Have we discussed MAS' most recent place of employment? I've been told that on Wednesday, June 6th, she reported for her job as a bartender in NO East feeling very ill.
I remember reading that one of the strippers said that TS and MS mentioned the "party" was in East New Orleans.

As for the hunting knife, it is not an ideal knife for stabbing because it is only sharp on one edge, whereas a dagger is more ideal for stabbing. However, hunting knives are a good tool for skinning and cutting meat. To stab with the hunting knife would have taken a great deal of force, but once it was in, it would have made a more-than-adequate-sized hole that could have caused heavy blood loss, where making an additional stab wound would not have been necessary. I am thinking the same knife used to kill JL was used to dismember her. It is possible this hunting knife was laying around a fish camp or cabin, but I think TS was carrying it all along. Someone earlier said he was known to carry a knife on him.

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I remember reading that one of the strippers said that TS and MS mentioned the "party" was in East New Orleans.

As for the hunting knife, it is not an ideal knife for stabbing because it is only sharp on one edge, whereas a dagger is more ideal for stabbing. However, hunting knives are a good tool for skinning and cutting meat. To stab with the hunting knife would have taken a great deal of force, but once it was in, it would have made a more-than-adequate-sized hole that could have caused heavy blood loss, where making an additional stab wound would not have been necessary. I am thinking the same knife used to kill JL was used to dismember her. It is possible this hunting knife was laying around a fish camp or cabin, but I think TS was carrying it all along. Someone earlier said he was known to carry a knife on him.
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was there ever any more mention of where "the party" was.....Where in NEW ORLEANS EAST if that's where it was?? If she were taken to New Orleans East by MAS and TS I fear that they brought her and did whatever it was they wanted to her and if they left her out there It's very possible that someone else could have gotten her and murdered and dumped her body in BSL....And this could explain why they were on the run and dyed their hair BC they knew they were the last to be seen with Jaren and they knew someone murdered her and that never would have happened had they not lured her out the club and took her to New Orleans East and had their way and after leaving they hear of her body being discovered they immediately panic and try to get out of dodge of LE....Does anyone know what day MAS's Facebook acct. was deleted JW because if she deleted it after LE released the serv. video then I guess this could be a possible theory ...but if she deleted it before then she was guilty before ......Would be nice to figure out what day that FB was deleted and what day the Video was released IMO
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I've been trying to make sense of the aliases LE said that TS used.

It's scary. If you google 'Terry Christopher' and look at the people finder link, many sections come up with this name along with an age range close to his own. There's always a list of people who may be related to that person off to the side. Some of the names look like they are versions of his aliases or made up as well ~

~ for instance, Allen J. Terry, Chris Terry, Terry Terry, Allen Terry. This person has always lived in a several states or one that has an open case of a missing young woman; Terry Christopher, SC; Terry Christopher, Durham NC; Terry Christopher, KY; and versions in TN, OH, IN and more.

The F.B.I. has to look into these listings to check out if they're all the same person claiming to live in all of these different places with the people whose names may be associated with him. It looks odd to me. They need to see if there's more than one Christopher Terry and if he/they have a legit family that includes legit names, etc. Something doesn't look right when you look at all the separate entries with the various 'related to' names. And this is only one version of the aliases TS has used.
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was there ever any more mention of where "the party" was.....Where in NEW ORLEANS EAST if that's where it was?? If she were taken to New Orleans East by MAS and TS I fear that they brought her and did whatever it was they wanted to her and if they left her out there It's very possible that someone else could have gotten her and murdered and dumped her body in BSL....And this could explain why they were on the run and dyed their hair BC they knew they were the last to be seen with Jaren and they knew someone murdered her and that never would have happened had they not lured her out the club and took her to New Orleans East and had their way and after leaving they hear of her body being discovered they immediately panic and try to get out of dodge of LE....Does anyone know what day MAS's Facebook acct. was deleted JW because if she deleted it after LE released the serv. video then I guess this could be a possible theory ...but if she deleted it before then she was guilty before ......Would be nice to figure out what day that FB was deleted and what day the Video was released IMO
I cannot remember who posted it, but I believe that MAS deleted her FB account the day AFTER LE released the video. JMO
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Just a thought: I read that Addie Hall (the woman who was murdered and dismembered by Zach Bowen) and Margaret Sanchez worked together at Hogs Bar and became friends. It would be very interesting to know if Terry Speaks was also a friend - and even more intriguing to imagine that they all knew Patricia Biehn, who was complicit in the murders/dismemberments of 3 other women. Biehn was released from prison after only 5 years and I wonder if her path crossed with any of the others. It's a tangled web, but all of these people lived and worked in the French Quarter and have a gruesome common denominator.
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Just a thought: I read that Addie Hall (the woman who was murdered and dismembered by Zach Bowen) and Margaret Sanchez worked together at Hogs Bar and became friends. It would be very interesting to know if Terry Speaks was also a friend - and even more intriguing to imagine that they all knew Patricia Biehn, who was complicit in the murders/dismemberments of 3 other women. Biehn was released from prison after only 5 years and I wonder if her path crossed with any of the others. It's a tangled web, but all of these people lived and worked in the French Quarter and have a gruesome common denominator.
Not possible. He was in jail when the incident happened. No evidence he had come to NOLA yet.
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I just saw this announced on FB, I wonder if it could possibly have anything to do with the JL case?

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Re your answer to my post from the closed thread. I recall getting negative comments when I was unhappy with the media's sensationalistic approach in the beginning. I don't believe in labels. Going back to the SL case, her father's status was commented on by the media and some members from the get-go, which made me angry. Now I just ignore those types of comments. So you're right again!
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Woe,

From what I've read on various Facebook sites is that she isn't missing, but left willingly with a man that her family didn't approve of. A few days ago her mother posted on Facebook that she got a call from her and Christina said she was fine. I believe she also called the Baton Rouge police to say she wasn't a missing person. I think that's why it isn't in the news.
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From what I've read on various Facebook sites is that she isn't missing, but left willingly with a man that her family didn't approve of. A few days ago her mother posted on Facebook that she got a call from her and Christina said she was fine. I believe she also called the Baton Rouge police to say she wasn't a missing person. I think that's why it isn't in the news.
Oh thank you. The girl on fb doesn't look like the same CS I saw on video speaking about Jaren. With a haircut and a little bleach, I can't tell if it is her or not. That would be so disturbing and beyond frightening on so many levels. If it's the same girl, did she leave because she feels threatened? Is something going on amidst that particular group of people?
Is that the same girl? Darn.
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Does anyone know what tools they would have needed to dismember JLs body? I am in the medical field and have done cadaver dissection and don't think they would have needed anything other than a proper size sharp knife If they made the cuts at the joints i dont think a saw would be needed. Also depending on how long the body was dead before they cut it up would likely impact the amount of blood. The longer she was dead the more the blood would coagulate. That said a larger hunting knife may be all they needed. It could have been the wepon used to stab and kill her then used to finish the job. Also if I recall she was kind of Petite. Considering this maybe all they are looking for is a hunting knife.
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ITA, PTMuscle. Based on what we know from other cases, a hunting knife could suffice. Without the autopsy report we can't say for sure, but it's certainly possible.
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I also think knowing and tracing TS/MAS movements in the time before they got pick up is going to be key. That's why cell records and even tracing who and if possible where MASs Facebook account was changed are going to be important. These 2 had to leave tracks some place. I doubt they could have killed her and just disappeared until they were pickd up.
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Something else that I have been thinking about is if LE was able to obtain laptops/hard drives from MAS' home in Kenner. I know we have discussed whether or not TS and MAS had an actual computer or if they just used mobile devices/ tablets. I am thinking that there should have been at least one actual computer being that she seemed to have deleted her FB. IIRC, you have to deactivate your account from an actual computer device. I could be wrong, but I know that from my even my smartphone, I still only have limited access to account changes and such.

Just a thought.

I really hope that LE found some serious evidence from the home and they are just confirming before the two are actually charged.
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