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Did they ever gain the information concerning whom owned this truck?
Its similar to the one they were interested in in the Laura spierer case in blooming-ton Indiana a year ago. I did notice this case and Laura and
Brittney wood case were connected by an interstate system I65 I believe it is. If Someone has photos of the three girls could you put them side by side please so we can look at them. Thank you in advance. Not implying there is a connection, just thinking way outside the box for the time being. Its all just speculation and guessing on my part. But wanted to post anyways.


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Did they ever gain the information concerning whom owned this truck?
Its similar to the one they were interested in in the Laura spierer case in blooming-ton Indiana a year ago. I did notice this case and Laura and
Brittney wood case were connected by an interstate system I65 I believe it is. If Someone has photos of the three girls could you put them side by side please so we can look at them. Thank you in advance. Not implying there is a connection, just thinking way outside the box for the time being. Its all just speculation and guessing on my part. But wanted to post anyways.


The truck is still a mystery, but there doesn't seem to be any connection to Lauren Spierer's case because, as you know, the driver of that truck was cleared. I don't have photos of the three at hand. If no one else posts them, I can do so later.

I'm glad you posted here. This case could use fresh eyes.
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I am narrowing my opinion that it is someone local, likely drunk, on their normal drive home after leaving a bar. For whatever reason, likely the alcohol, they accidentally hit her and flipped out. Maybe they have prior DUI convictions, maybe a family...maybe just selfish. But they knew if they reported it they would end up going to prison so they made a terrible decision by taking her and the bike.

Once they had her in the car it was too late to change their mind even if they wanted to. They likely disposed of the bike conveniently...maybe somewhere they have been before so that they wouldn't seem out of place. It's difficult to imagine someone random would go the extra step to end a life but they may have been desperate to not get caught and not at full capacity.

If it were an accident then I would expect there to be some damage based on the fact that the back rim was damaged enough to cause the tire to dislodge. It takes a good hit to bend a rim. It could be as minor as some scratches on the bumber to having the windshield shattered. There likely wasn't much of a crime scene. We know that she had a leather backpack/purse and based on the daytime pic of her, rode with it strapped across her body. When I ride my bike, I don't have anything in my hands...nothing. So the perp would have grabbed a petite person and a bike. You can do that within a minute or two.

People abduct women for sexual reasons usually. It seems difficult to imagine that someone would hit her bike to the extent that she is seriously injured just so they could assault her. She is so small, alone on a bike at 2am...there would be no reason to feel the need to injure her. Even the worst sicko's likely don't want to assault someone that is bleeding. That is just more evidence for LE to find in their vehicle.

I have faith in LE and have a strong suspiscion that they have identified the truck whether or not they were a witness or a suspect. If not then it should happen soon enough. The passenger rear window has some type of sun shade or something else that someone out there is familiar with. Someone out there saw this truck and knew immediately who it belonged to. They could be silent because they are close to an arrest and don't want to jeopardize the investigation. The PI is smart enough to keep that quiet.

If i were the suspect, I would act completely normal. If the damage was noticeable I would fix it myself by stealing the parts so that they couldn't be tracked. I would clean it in some sort of high powered way so that chemicals wouldn't be necessary. I would act oblivious to all of the news reports and if LE or a PI asked, I would admit being in the area because if I weren't guilty then I would have no reason to lie.
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BunnyHop, I honor your opinion, but respectfully disagree.
MS's mom said that she would give up her cars, etc. for her daughter.
That speaks volumes.
Every forum has someone questioning where the donation money is going.
My question is, "where are the innocent victims going"? "Damn the money, it can be replaced"..
All I'm saying is that different angles need to be looked at.
I make no judgement whatsoever about the donations.
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I realized yesterday that I had assumed MS & BW went to Taco Bell on Johnston & St. Mary by campus but they did not.
Anyone sitting or standing on Congress St near St Antoine could have seen them bike back to Ryan St, leave in the car for TB on Congress, return and see Mickey leave alone on her bike.

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I thought this as well. Hey isnt the one by Campus closer? Why go all the way down to Congress? Am I wrong?

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I realized yesterday that I had assumed MS & BW went to Taco Bell on Johnston & St. Mary by campus but they did not.
Anyone sitting or standing on Congress St near St Antoine could have seen them bike back to Ryan St, leave in the car for TB on Congress, return and see Mickey leave alone on her bike.

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I thought this as well. Hey isnt the one by Campus closer? Why go all the way down to Congress? Am I wrong?

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Google map it. From Brettly's to Taco Bell on Johnston (campus) is 1.1 miles/4 minutes, and Taco Bell on Congress is 1.7 miles/6 minutes. Not much of a difference.
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Google map it. From Brettly's to Taco Bell on Johnston (campus) is 1.1 miles/4 minutes, and Taco Bell on Congress is 1.7 miles/6 minutes. Not much of a difference.
I know, just wondering. As a student, your whole life revolves around Campus. Seems as If you would head there naturally.

I guess they wanted to avoid the after bar crowd. When I was in my twenties, I remember that location being open at 2am and you did NOT have to use drive thru, you could go inside. Did this change? I am referring to the location on Campus.

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I realized yesterday that I had assumed MS & BW went to Taco Bell on Johnston & St. Mary by campus but they did not.
Anyone sitting or standing on Congress St near St Antoine could have seen them bike back to Ryan St, leave in the car for TB on Congress, return and see Mickey leave alone on her bike.

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I thought this as well. Hey isnt the one by Campus closer? Why go all the way down to Congress? Am I wrong?

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I thought it quite odd as well when I realized it as Johnston is closer. Perhaps BW thought a straight shot down Congress was easier than heading down to Johnston St.
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I am curious why people are suddenly wondering if she took off on her own. I do not understand how that would have worked. She was out at 2 am, with no money, all alone.
How exactly did she run off? And who drove her to Whisky Bay to dump off her beloved bicycle?

And she planned this, why?
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I am curious why people are suddenly wondering if she took off on her own. I do not understand how that would have worked. She was out at 2 am, with no money, all alone.
How exactly did she run off? And who drove her to Whisky Bay to dump off her beloved bicycle?

And she planned this, why?
I think you are correct.
While I respect the opinions of all my fellow sleuthers, I wholeheartedly disagree that it's a viable scenario to consider regarding her voluntarily leaving. There is unequivocally no piece of evidence that supports that theory: Rather, there is a slew of facts stating the precise opposite. MOO and all that.

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We've been through the possible connections between some of the missing women over and over again...

Not saying people shouldn't bring it up again if they have a valid point to make, but so far, there is nothing to suggest that any of the cases are connected, IMO.

Lauren-out with males friends all night, likely intoxicated, and they all got lawyers at once
Holly-left her yard in the company of a man who she spoke with for 10-15 first, early in the morning, witnessed by her brother, did not seem to be fighting him
Katelyn-likely lured from her home after midnight, most likely by someone she knew, or why else would she leave her apartment, not take her keys, phone, etc...
Brittney W.- Seems to be a lot going on down there in this case...uncle's suicide, rumors she may be out there somewhere...etc...
Paige-Was last in the company of a man who is currently in jail and refusing to talk about her


Not sure who else is being suggested...but one thing I do feel fairly sure of is that Mickey was taken, or left with, someone local to Lafayette or a nearby area (rather than the roaming SK or an out-out-town fair worker) due to the locale of her bike. That says local more than anything to me.

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We've been through the possible connections between some of the missing women over and over again...

Not saying people shouldn't bring it up again if they have a valid point to make, but so far, there is nothing to suggest that any of the cases are connected, IMO.

Lauren-out with males friends all night, likely intoxicated, and they all got lawyers at once
Holly-left her yard in the company of a man who she spoke with for 10-15 first, early in the morning, witnessed by her brother, did not seem to be fighting him
Katelyn-likely lured from her home after midnight, most likely by someone she knew, or why else would she leave her apartment, not take her keys, phone, etc...
Brittney W.- Seems to be a lot going on down there in this case...uncle's suicide, rumors she may be out there somewhere...etc...
Paige-Was last in the company of a man who is currently in jail and refusing to talk about her


Not sure who else is being suggested...but one thing I do feel fairly sure of is that Mickey was taken, or left with, someone local to Lafayette or a nearby area (rather than the roaming SK or an out-out-town fair worker) due to the locale of her bike. That says local more than anything to me.

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Many serial killers are aware of linkage blindness and will discard items of evidence across LE jurisdictional boundaries. Their purpose is hoping the different LEAs will not communicate with each other.
It would not be unusual for a predator/sk, to discard evidence or other personal items, including the victim's remains, miles away from the crime scene. In fact, it is expected of a professional predator.

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Many serial killers are aware of linkage blindness and will discard items of evidence across LE jurisdictional boundaries. Their purpose is hoping the different LEAs will not communicate with each other.
It would not be unusual for a predator/sk, to discard evidence or other personal items, including the victim's remains, miles away from the crime scene. In fact, it is expected of a professional predator.

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I just don't think a passing stranger would know where the bodies of other victims had been found in the past...I know all about that particular case yet had never heard of Whiskey Bay until this case came up.
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I just don't think a passing stranger would know where the bodies of other victims had been found in the past...I know all about that particular case yet had never heard of Whiskey Bay until this case came up.
Derrick Todd Lee and his conviction were national news, and the locations his victims were found in were broadcast nationally. There are books about him and even a spread on him at TruTV that mentions Whiskey Bay.

It's not like it's a terribly hidden secret or hard to find. It's a public boat launch off of a Major Interstate.

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Derrick Todd Lee and his conviction were national news, and the locations his victims were found in were broadcast nationally. There are books about him and even a spread on him at TruTV that mentions Whiskey Bay.

It's not like it's a terribly hidden secret or hard to find. It's a public boat launch off of a Major Interstate.
But really, how many people would have used the exit & gone through what chicken showed was involved in dumping it there? I know nothing of SK & their motivation, patterns, do they act within a 'comfort zone'?
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Derrick Todd Lee and his conviction were national news, and the locations his victims were found in were broadcast nationally. There are books about him and even a spread on him at TruTV that mentions Whiskey Bay.

It's not like it's a terribly hidden secret or hard to find. It's a public boat launch off of a Major Interstate.
For what it's worth, I live in NJ and and am originally from FL and have never heard of Whiskey Bay until now.
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Derrick Todd Lee and his conviction were national news, and the locations his victims were found in were broadcast nationally. There are books about him and even a spread on him at TruTV that mentions Whiskey Bay.

It's not like it's a terribly hidden secret or hard to find. It's a public boat launch off of a Major Interstate.
I only remembered DTL and WB after MS' bike was found there. The perp in this case either had a fascination with DTL and or serial murders or he's from the area and has been there before.

I've been to WB at night and the path that leads under the bridge is very dark and I don't think someone who had been there that one time could figure you can drive down that path and toss the Bike in the river without spending some time looking around. And I don't think the perp would be doing that.

Instead I would think he would have a plan first to dump the bike ASAP. And to do that he must have been there before..... I say this after snooping around there myself.

So either he is:
1. A local fisherman familiar with the area.
2. Scouted the area in the daylight without the bike.
3. He's used that area to dump other evidence of other crimes.

Someone told me divers found 6 cars submerged there. The water is so murky it's next to impossible to see anything. I bet if there was a way to drain that area, you'd find a trove of evidence from other crimes... Not necessarily but possibly some from this perp.
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I just don't think a passing stranger would know where the bodies of other victims had been found in the past...I know all about that particular case yet had never heard of Whiskey Bay until this case came up.
cluciano63, a passing stranger may have, or may not have, known the history of Whiskey Bay. Just considered it a desolate area for a bike drop.
Although it is surprising what other serial killers know about serial killers past.
When arested Sean Vincent Gillis, had newspaper clippings of DTL's trail of terror in his residence.
Serial Killer Gary Hilton read novels/books by Ann Rule, James Patterson, & others & emulated the characters in the books, some real & some fictional. GMH, named and wrote the script for a movie Deadly Run; Hunting Humans(1994) -14 years before his arrest. The movie was based on Alaskan Serial killer Robert Hansen. GMH's IQ is within the top 10% of the world. It is surprising what predators know.
Guess, that is why they are so elusive.
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I just don't think a passing stranger would know where the bodies of other victims had been found in the past...I know all about that particular case yet had never heard of Whiskey Bay until this case came up.
I'm still thinking the bicycle could have been found by a local after the abudction of Mickey. That local could then have ditched the bike at Whiskey Bay after learning about MS.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:10 PM
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I'm still thinking the bicycle could have been found by a local after the abudction of Mickey. That local could then have ditched the bike at Whiskey Bay after learning about MS.
JMHO, a bicycle thief would have stripped the bike and only discarded the frame.
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I'm still thinking the bicycle could have been found by a local after the abudction of Mickey. That local could then have ditched the bike at Whiskey Bay after learning about MS.
What would they have done with a busted bike, since apparently the rear was damaged? Even if they had only found it, why dump it after learning about MS? Why not come forward? That just throws another wrench in the case if that is what happened; throwing the police off. Not to mention, potential evidence that disappeared because someone didn't come forward. JMO, of course.

Personally, I think the perp took the bike with them and dumped it. There were apparently tire tracks around the area, though I'm curious to know if they were good enough to get a lock on the type of vehicle was in that area.
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I just don't think a passing stranger would know where the bodies of other victims had been found in the past...I know all about that particular case yet had never heard of Whiskey Bay until this case came up.
I agree with you that us normal people wouldn't necessarily know the particulars of murders/abduction very far away from our general area. However, it is possible that a perp, even from out of town, could have found plenty of info on DTL from the internet rather easily. Or, if the person was a transient worker, could have been around the area during DTL's murders.
I'm not saying she was murdered, but I am saying that we cannot judge this person by what we would know or do, because none of us would abduct someone as he/she did Mickey.
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