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Darlie Routier Darlie Routier is on death row, convicted of murdering her two sons. Darlie claims that an intruder attacked her and the boys and is responsible. Many feel Darlie deserves a new trial. Discuss it here.


View Poll Results: Do you think Darlie premeditated the murders of Devon and Damon?
Yes she had been thinking about killing them for some time 94 61.84%
No she just snapped and killed them 23 15.13%
No, Darlie is innocent 25 16.45%
No, Darin is the real killer 2 1.32%
She had fantasized about it for awhile. The events earlier in the night brought her fantasy to reality. 3 1.97%
Yes, but not for a long period of time. 5 3.29%
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:29 PM
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Do you think Darlie premeditated the murders of Devon and Damon?

Do you think Darlie premeditated the murders of Devon and Damon or did she kill them in a fit of rage?
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:35 PM
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Yes she had been thinking about killing them for some time

I do think she had been thinking about it for a time. How long I don't know. Darlie was for Darlie. Money was becoming scarce and I don't think she had real interest's in children either. Just my opinion of course.
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I've always thought that Damon was one sad little boy. Every picture I have ever seen of Damon he just looks so lost and sad. I also believe that it was Devon that really was getting under her skin. I remember the lady from the pawn shop saying how ugly Darlie would talk to the boys when they were shopping in the pawn shop. Darlie would call the boys little s---s and little f-----s. What kind of mother calls their own children such names. Did Darlie think people wouldn't remember her being mean to her kids in public. If she was that mean to them in public I shutter to think what it must have been like in their own home.
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I've always thought that Damon was one sad little boy. Every picture I have ever seen of Damon he just looks so lost and sad. I also believe that it was Devon that really was getting under her skin. I remember the lady from the pawn shop saying how ugly Darlie would talk to the boys when they were shopping in the pawn shop. Darlie would call the boys little s---s and little f-----s. What kind of mother calls their own children such names. Did Darlie think people wouldn't remember her being mean to her kids in public. If she was that mean to them in public I shutter to think what it must have been like in their own home.
to me, home is a safe haven. Whenever you walk through the door,you should feel loved unconditionally. Those poor babies.
Mommy is supposed to be your best friend, your biggest fan. Again, my heart breaks for those boys.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:33 PM
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Yes, I believe that Darlie premeditated the murders of Devon and Damon. She did not come across as sincere from the beginning. At the time this happened, I lived in the Dallas area ... and local gossip was that LE did not find her story believable either.

She was trying to be a socialite in Rowlett, they were having financial problems, and the husband's business seem to be failing to some extent, or not sufficient enough to please Darlie.

Her throwing the "silly putty" over their graves of those precious boys just made me sick.

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I believe Darlie did plan the murders, and I also believe she truly thought she would get away with it. For me, her demeanor on the 911 call speaks volumes. I'm not sure whether her motivation was money - because she really did not gain anything monetarily from the death of Devon and Damon; I think she wanted to be free of the responsibility of being a mom, and if Drake had been downstairs that night, I think she would have killed him too.
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There is an analysis of the Routier 911 call on the Seamus O' Riley blogspot. He breaks it down step-by-step. I tried to post the website, but it wouldn't let me.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:49 AM
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premeditated murder

A couple specific contradictions in her stories make her guilt clearly apparent. She first claimed that her wounded son woke her up. Then she claim to have been awaken by a knife-yielding assailant.

Clearly, there is no intruder. Therefore, her wounds must be self-inflicted. She did not have time to place the bloody sock after the self-inflicted wounds. Therefore, she must have prepared for killing her sons.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:24 AM
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A couple specific contradictions in her stories make her guilt clearly apparent. She first claimed that her wounded son woke her up. Then she claim to have been awaken by a knife-yielding assailant.

Clearly, there is no intruder. Therefore, her wounds must be self-inflicted. She did not have time to place the bloody sock after the self-inflicted wounds. Therefore, she must have prepared for killing her sons.
No blood outside where she cut the window screen. That was done in advance so yes some premeditation took place. She did not stab the boys in a rage. If she had there would have been injuries all over their bodies. Those wounds on Devon are deliberate, aimed for the heart.

I feel quite sure whatever happened between her and Darin that night is the cause of the children's deaths.

The marriage was on the rocks, the business was failing, Darin and Darlie had been fighting for months. Gone was her big beautiful house and all her nice things, gone was the money. Gone were the vacations she could take to get away from it all, gone were the parties in hotels where she could go to get away from it all.

She's going back to her mother or out on her own, only this time with three children in tow.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:44 AM
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I think she was unhappy in her marriage and with the strain of 3 children, possibly some post partum depression and a lot of "poor me". She probably had been thinking of it for some time but never really planned it in depth. I think her sleeping downstairs away from Darin gave her the opportunity to do this. She would get sympathy and attention and be rid of her responsibilities of caring for the older boys. Her 911 call makes it sound as if she expected Darin would not believe her. If she had put more thought into it she may have gotten away with it. As it were, I think opportunity and unhappiness led her to act before she had formulated a real plan.
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On the topic of narcissism, I did a bit of research and came across the concept of narcissistic rage (source: A.H. Almaas):

Intensity of Reactive Anger
...has special characteristics because the narcissistic hurt is different from other types of emotional pain. The fact that this hurt is very vulnerable, and opens up to an emptiness signifying the dissolution of identity, imbues the reactive anger with an intensity and hardness rarely seen in other kinds of anger.
The Point of Existence, p. 324

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Hatred that Underlies the Desire for Vengeance
The (narcissitic) rage may turn into, or be accompanied by, a cold hatred that gives her qualities of power, invincibility, and calculation. This hatred underlies the desire for vengeance, for wanting to inflict pain and suffering, and for actually enjoying getting back at the person who failed her.
The Point of Existence, p. 327

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Provocation of Narcissistic Rage
The narcissistic individual, or the normal individual at this phase of development, is prone to intense anger, an irrational rage, which may take the form of acute explosions or be chronic and vengeful. This narcissistic rage is provoked by the slightestóreal or imaginedónarcissistic insult, such as not being seen, understood, or appreciated, in the way one feels he deserves. Narcissistic envy may arise; one hates anyone who has (or seems to have), a rich inner life or external acclaim and feels pain about not having what the other has.
The Point of Existence, p. 327

If Darlie is truly a narcissist, could she have gone into a narsissistic rage that night, after the fight? I guess if they were fighting about money and if one of the topics was that she can't go on the trip with her girl friends because there is no money and the loan was declined, and she is stressed out and a slave to her family at home and she feels she deserves it...Just speculating, but if she was in a cold rage, possibly she might have premeditated - but only shortly before she did the deed. If she had planned it well in advance, why would she have spent money on buying plane tickets to the family event a few weeks later?
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I've always thought it was premeditated. Maybe not by days, but at least that evening, and she waited til the boys fell asleep.
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Well, since premeditation can be as much as a few seconds, I would have to say yes. I don't think she was thinking about killing them for a very long time, but who knows. I just think if she had really thought it out, she might have staged that crime scene better.

I know she should have thought out that cemetery party more thoroughly.
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Well, since premeditation can be as much as a few seconds, I would have to say yes. I don't think she was thinking about killing them for a very long time, but who knows. I just think if she had really thought it out, she might have staged that crime scene better.

I know she should have thought out that cemetery party more thoroughly.
One of the biggest thoughts about the silly string day, is that Darlie said it was "taken out of context." Darlie wanted the world to see that she was a good mom, and celebrating their lives. She thought, my guess, is that if every one sees how strong she was, they couldn't see her as a cold hearted killer. Much like Scott Peterson thought that going on talk shows mourning would fool the world into thinking he cared. This type of person truly believes they can outwit society. That's why they stick to the innocent story for so long. Eventually, they believe people will start to believe it.
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I think she planned it. I'm not excusing her actions but post-natal depression (post-partum depression in US) can be a very serious illness. I think Darlie was struggling with the demands both she and Darin put on her. She wanted to be a socialite, a business woman, a great mom, a perfect wife. She and Darin aspired to a lifestyle and the struggles of the business financially, the pressures of 3 small boys, the big house, and even Darin's car always breaking down was just too much.

While I think she, and Darin to some extent were involved, I don't think she deserves the death penalty as post natal depression is a mental defect. I don't think she was thinking straight.
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I think she planned it. I'm not excusing her actions but post-natal depression (post-partum depression in US) can be a very serious illness. I think Darlie was struggling with the demands both she and Darin put on her. She wanted to be a socialite, a business woman, a great mom, a perfect wife. She and Darin aspired to a lifestyle and the struggles of the business financially, the pressures of 3 small boys, the big house, and even Darin's car always breaking down was just too much.

While I think she, and Darin to some extent were involved, I don't think she deserves the death penalty as post natal depression is a mental defect. I don't think she was thinking straight.
I do know that other countries are much more lienient on the murdering of children because of post partum depression and some of the time I agree. (like with the Yates case. I beleive that poor woman had a breakdown IMO) but this case is different and I can't articulate why. It just is IMO
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I do know that other countries are much more lienient on the murdering of children because of post partum depression and some of the time I agree. (like with the Yates case. I beleive that poor woman had a breakdown IMO) but this case is different and I can't articulate why. It just is IMO
I think the brutality of the killing, stabbing little children to death, shocks most people to the core. It's an extremely violent way to kill your children, with blood etc involved, unlike smothering/drowning etc. I still can't work out if Darlie meant to kill herself or not. Most people know that important blood vessels run down your neck. How many people would take the chance of missing hitting an artery by mere millimetres? She could very easily ended up killing herself with just a very slightly deeper cut.
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I think the brutality of the killing, stabbing little children to death, shocks most people to the core. It's an extremely violent way to kill your children, with blood etc involved, unlike smothering/drowning etc. I still can't work out if Darlie meant to kill herself or not. Most people know that important blood vessels run down your neck. How many people would take the chance of missing hitting an artery by mere millimetres? She could very easily ended up killing herself with just a very slightly deeper cut.
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Most of us, even the people that believe her to be guilty, think Darin is involved in some way and that Darlie may have been trying to kill herself.

Personally, I don't see that fitting her personality. If I had to give an opinion on it I'd say she just wanted a dramatic wound and wasn't thinking at all about the danger.
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Do you think Darlie premeditated the murders of Devon and Damon or did she kill them in a fit of rage?
Yes, she premeditated it to my satisfaction...I don't know about the legal definition.

Think about it. Do you really think Darlie is clever enough to plan the neck wound, the blood on the couch pillow, the cut in the screen, planting the sock, the glass, etc. off the top of her head? No, she had to think of some or all of those things beforehand, premeditate. Probably not weeks before. Maybe not days before. Likely hours before, though.
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I might be very wrong, but after reading a lot on this case and watching interviews with Darlie, I have a gut feeling that she didn't plan any of this in advance. I think something really exploded inside of her that night, some kind of devilish chemistry in her brain, some unexplainable reaction that resulted in such a tragedy. I don't think she calculated anything at all, she just let out all of her deepest darkest demons. And then at some point she must have realized what she is doing and panically started to stage the crime scene in order to avoid being accused for committing this horrible crime. I am not sure if she wanted to kill herself also, I think that not, because if she'd really plan the murders+suicide in advance, I think she would have chosen a different method both for boys and herself, one that would work for sure and was easier to execute.

Although I think she experienced some relief after the murders (because she doesn't seem sad, not even a bit), I also think that she has made herself believe that she's telling the truth. I know it sounds strange and complicated, but I think Darlie accepted lies for truth, that is why she can look you in the eye and say - I didn't do it.

I think she is mentally very very disturbed.
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I might be very wrong, but after reading a lot on this case and watching interviews with Darlie, I have a gut feeling that she didn't plan any of this in advance. I think something really exploded inside of her that night, some kind of devilish chemistry in her brain, some unexplainable reaction that resulted in such a tragedy. I don't think she calculated anything at all, she just let out all of her deepest darkest demons. And then at some point she must have realized what she is doing and panically started to stage the crime scene in order to avoid being accused for committing this horrible crime. I am not sure if she wanted to kill herself also, I think that not, because if she'd really plan the murders+suicide in advance, I think she would have chosen a different method both for boys and herself, one that would work for sure and was easier to execute.

Although I think she experienced some relief after the murders (because she doesn't seem sad, not even a bit), I also think that she has made herself believe that she's telling the truth. I know it sounds strange and complicated, but I think Darlie accepted lies for truth, that is why she can look you in the eye and say - I didn't do it.

I think she is mentally very very disturbed.
I agree that she didn't preplan it like a gang of bank robbers plans an underground heist.
I think she fantasized A LOT about how much better her life would be with just one or no kids. I'm sure she spent a lot of time daydreaming and visualizing having to spend a lot less time doing the mundane duties of a mother of three and having more leisure time.

I doubt she visualized the actual killing but it seems like she must have formulated a basic plan on how to kill the boys and where everyone would have to be to dramatically decrease the chances of Darin catching her in the murders, whatever she'd have to do to stage the scene and where she'd be and what she'd be doing when he came downstairs.

She had to make sure he and Drake were upstairs and both boys were sleeping soundly in the same room. She was at least smart enough to know she'd have to create a grizzly scene in order to sell her intruder ruse. I dont' think she was prepared for how much blood would come out of her boys. She certainly was not expecting one of them to not die immediately and to have to stab him a second round of times.

Most people, when they think of killing someone, think of only a few realistic methods. Guns, stabbings, poison, strangling.
She knew guns were out. Poison is too uncertain and might not work. Strangling takes way too long and she knew she couldn't strangle one while the other one ran away. She stabbed them both in a way that greatly increased the chance of almost instant death. Other than a shooting or pulling a Susan Smith, what better way could she devise with a built-in excuse to blame it on some unknown person?

We know she ideated suicide, and I'm sure she did a lot more than her one diary note detailed. Most people who ideate suicide do a lot more times then they ever tell. As weird as it may sound, I think she was all in on killing the boys but on the fence about killing herself.

Either that, or she decided to postpone serious attempts at suicide until after she knew her sons were dead....sort of a wait until the point of no return to make the decision. She underestimated how hard it would be to make the decision to kill herself and only half-assed the slash to her throat. Once she slit her own throat, she figured she's got a 50-50 chance of survival (based, again, on not realized how much she'd bleed) and at that point the reality and guilt kicked in and she figured she should die for her trangressions.

She played a lot of it off the cuff. Other than knocking the table over to create the illusion of a fight and maybe breaking the wine glass, she went about staging the scene rather frantically and spontaneously.
She knew beforehand she would have to do a few things to stage a fake intruder, but obviously she didn't put much thought into slashing the screen with her own knife or the fact that there would be no blood found outdoors....anywhere.... and that that would be the first and primary evidence against her.

Obviously she slit her throat over the sink. At first she was thinking like a housewife, not wanting to create an enormous mess by cleaning up the sink. Then she figured she'd toss a few things around and make it look worse.

She had her intruder worked up beforehand, at least in rough fashion, judging by her comments to 911 about looking around for missing items.

She really did not do any real homework on anything and did not even attempt to figure out how 911 responders, EMT's or detectives read crime scenes. Overall, like most staged murders, it was a completely half assed job.

Agreed, she felt enormous relief shortly after the act. Her behavior in the hospital was nothing like real grief and shock.

When I watch the Silly String video I see (morbid as it sounds) her doing a Victory Dance. She figured if they didn't arrest her in a day or two, she had gotten away with it. Watch her body language. The gum chewing. The big grins. The little jig. Now watch Darin's. Hands in his pockets (helpless, severly uncomfortable), the stiffness in his stance. The subtle disbelief in his face. He's so stunned he can't even bring himself to cry.

My unprofessional diagnosis is she's severely sociopathic and very potentially psychopathic. Someone else here mentioned histrionic personality disorder (certainly, based on her rape story from her dating Darin days) and certainly narcissistic personality disorder. Which all just means what you said, she's highly disturbed in ways that most people can not and will never understand.

Oh, and she's a pathological liar, which Darin HAD to have known by the time they got married.
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I honestly think the silly string video's importance has been overplayed from day one. People do celebrate birthdays at the graveside. Ok, right after the death of a child may seem mad, but there was a whole block of video of them doing the more "normal" graveside things, prior to the silly string being squirted. I honestly believe it's got no bearing on the case. Darlie's sister brought the silly string, not Darlie. I think she saw it as a way to remember they were little boys. It was a release of tension. A sad birthday tribute to a 7 year old who would have been squirting the silly string himself had he been alive. Ok it wasn't the best idea probably and a lot of people think it's distasteful but people grieve and celebrate the lives of those who have died in different ways. I don't think Darlie's sister meant anything by it.
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I honestly think the silly string video's importance has been overplayed from day one. People do celebrate birthdays at the graveside. Ok, right after the death of a child may seem mad, but there was a whole block of video of them doing the more "normal" graveside things, prior to the silly string being squirted. I honestly believe it's got no bearing on the case. Darlie's sister brought the silly string, not Darlie. I think she saw it as a way to remember they were little boys. It was a release of tension. A sad birthday tribute to a 7 year old who would have been squirting the silly string himself had he been alive. Ok it wasn't the best idea probably and a lot of people think it's distasteful but people grieve and celebrate the lives of those who have died in different ways. I don't think Darlie's sister meant anything by it.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, prior to being convinced of her guilt, as hearing it the first tim, this is exactly how i feel. It was meant to be an celebration that represented a seven year old spirit.
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